Broadheads with bleeder rings -

Big Boar · 02-02-2010, 12:45 PM

Okay so how old is the concept of a broadhead with a ring to do extra cutting. I would guess you answered Razorring, which came out in the early 90’s as the first with that concept. Well there were actually two other companies that had patents and produced heads with these cutting rings more than 35 years before them.

Patent 2,888,264 was filed on May 17, 1955 and was issued on May 26, 1959 to Osro Sharrar, Wendell Brooks, and Norman Bigras. This resulted in two different heads being manufactured.

The first head was manufactured as the Trail-Eze in 1955 and is shown below as the first head to the left.

The second head was the Bigame Bigras, which came out in 1956. Norman was listed as one of the original inventors on the patent. It is shown below as the second head.

Then on September 3, 1991 Nicholas DelMonte was issued patent 5,044,640. The same year he started manufacturing the now famous Razorring broadheads. The third picture below shows his first production model.

A few years later in 2003 the Coremax line of heads came out. I found patent 6,863,630 filed July 30, 2003 and issued March 8, 2005 to inventors Larry Watkins, Mark Watkins and Kevin Call. The 2003 model is the forth head shown below.

So what you may have thought was a fairly new idea is almost 55 years old.

Okie101 · 02-02-2010, 01:00 PM

Big Boar,,,

I've seen the coremax heads now with serrated blades on them....just curious...how far back do serrated blades go....

bowhunterfrompast · 02-02-2010, 02:04 PM

Big Boar,

Great info on the old, and newer broadheads.

Noticed the ABCC Master List shows Trail-Eze came out with scalloped rings in 1956 and 1957.

Has anyone found any of the unusual ring variations, triangle and different number of scallops, shown on the patient for the Trail-Eze?

Rick

Big Boar · 02-02-2010, 03:35 PM

From "Broadheads 1871-1971 by Wade Phillips", the earliest reference I found of a broadhead with serrations was a 1928 Ace small game head. Of course I guess you could say the old knaped heads were scalloped.

Using this same reference Wade did not include any pictures of other shaped rings on the Trail- Eze. He photographed heads out of all of the best collections in the country, so if he didn't find any they probably don't exist.

cartman308 · 02-02-2010, 04:27 PM

Could it be argued that handmade flint heads are serated????

Booner · 02-02-2010, 09:14 PM

I'm so hooked on this stuff now....

Protec · 02-03-2010, 10:51 PM

Great info are classic heads. Im seeing more and more people going back to Traditional.

Wade Phillips · 01-30-2011, 06:03 PM

Greg,

Larry Whiffen Sr. (who passed away in 1960) also made a Bod-Kin with a ring on it. He gave one of the heads to Floyd Eccleston. Floyd is on tape telling about Larry Whiffen Sr. giving him the head ...

Have you seen this footage of Floyd telling this story about the Bod-Kin with the ring?

Waldo · 01-30-2011, 07:28 PM

The Core Maxx broadheads do kill deer very fast.
Leaves a big round hole clear through them.
Killed two does with them. 20 yard max on trailing them with a blood trail 3 foot wide.

Big Boar · 01-30-2011, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wade Phillips

Greg,

Larry Whiffen Sr. (who passed away in 1960) also made a Bod-Kin with a ring on it. He gave one of the heads to Floyd Eccleston. Floyd is on tape telling about Larry Whiffen Sr. giving him the head ...

Have you seen this footage of Floyd telling this story about the Bod-Kin with the ring?

No I haven't seen the footage and did not know about it. Glad you joined to give us this great info. Didn't see it in your book either. Do you have a picture to post?

Wade Phillips · 01-30-2011, 08:50 PM

Greg,

I will see if I can take a short mpeg file of the footage of Floyd telling about it. I'll have to find the exact spot in the footage which is a few hours long. Ken and I watched the footage a few weeks ago.

It is pictured on page T-10-4, of "1871-1971, Third Edition"... be sure to read all of the text below the image of the head...

Big Boar · 01-30-2011, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wade Phillips

Greg,

I will see if I can take a short mpeg file of the footage of Floyd telling about it. I'll have to find the exact spot in the footage which is a few hours long. Ken and I watched the footage a few weeks ago.

It is pictured on page T-10-4, of "1871-1971, Third Edition"... be sure to read all of the text below the image of the head...

Thanks, I didn't think about looking for it there.

Wade Phillips · 01-30-2011, 09:32 PM

Greg, You know me, I like to hide these tidbits of information all over the place and then give a pop quiz to see who actually read the text in the book, and who is guilty of just looking at the pictures...

Wade Phillips · 01-30-2011, 09:49 PM

Greg,

Also note on the Bok-Kin, that the ring is much larger diameter than the Trail-Eze Plain Ring... It is sort of the super size Trail-Eze ring in that it has a larger diameter and is thicker, and has the same two sided outside edge and dull back color. Have to think the Trail-Eze rings and the Bod-Kin ring were made by the same party to different specifications....

Pack animal · 03-02-2011, 01:55 PM

Big Boar,
I think your picture just helped me. I just recieved a broadhead in the mail today which,(thanks to your pic), I believe coulod be a Bigame Bigras without the bleeder ring.

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02-02-2010, 02:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
bowhunterfrompast 130gr Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Missouri Posts: 498	Big Boar, Great info on the old, and newer broadheads. Noticed the ABCC Master List shows Trail-Eze came out with scalloped rings in 1956 and 1957. Has anyone found any of the unusual ring variations, triangle and different number of scallops, shown on the patient for the Trail-Eze? Rick

02-02-2010, 03:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
Big Boar 130gr Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin Posts: 514	From "Broadheads 1871-1971 by Wade Phillips", the earliest reference I found of a broadhead with serrations was a 1928 Ace small game head. Of course I guess you could say the old knaped heads were scalloped. Using this same reference Wade did not include any pictures of other shaped rings on the Trail- Eze. He photographed heads out of all of the best collections in the country, so if he didn't find any they probably don't exist.

02-02-2010, 09:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
Booner Administrator Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Arkansas USA Posts: 957	I'm so hooked on this stuff now....

01-30-2011, 06:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
Wade Phillips 85gr Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 49	Greg, Larry Whiffen Sr. (who passed away in 1960) also made a Bod-Kin with a ring on it. He gave one of the heads to Floyd Eccleston. Floyd is on tape telling about Larry Whiffen Sr. giving him the head ... Have you seen this footage of Floyd telling this story about the Bod-Kin with the ring?

01-30-2011, 07:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
Waldo 100gr Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Nebraska Posts: 121	The Core Maxx broadheads do kill deer very fast. Leaves a big round hole clear through them. Killed two does with them. 20 yard max on trailing them with a blood trail 3 foot wide.

01-30-2011, 08:50 PM	#11 (permalink)
Wade Phillips 85gr Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 49	Greg, I will see if I can take a short mpeg file of the footage of Floyd telling about it. I'll have to find the exact spot in the footage which is a few hours long. Ken and I watched the footage a few weeks ago. It is pictured on page T-10-4, of "1871-1971, Third Edition"... be sure to read all of the text below the image of the head...

01-30-2011, 09:32 PM	#13 (permalink)
Wade Phillips 85gr Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 49	Greg, You know me, I like to hide these tidbits of information all over the place and then give a pop quiz to see who actually read the text in the book, and who is guilty of just looking at the pictures...

01-30-2011, 09:49 PM	#14 (permalink)
Wade Phillips 85gr Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 49	Greg, Also note on the Bok-Kin, that the ring is much larger diameter than the Trail-Eze Plain Ring... It is sort of the super size Trail-Eze ring in that it has a larger diameter and is thicker, and has the same two sided outside edge and dull back color. Have to think the Trail-Eze rings and the Bod-Kin ring were made by the same party to different specifications....