tke921

Need some help. Have a new Monster 7 with about 400-500 shots across it now. I have it sighted in with field points out to 40 yards. I got new arrows and broadheads according to OnTarget 2 and Carbon Express customer service. I have paper tuned it. Bullet hole at 6 ft, 5 yards, and 10 yards. My broadheads are right in there with my field points at 30 and 40 yards, HOWEVER at 20 yards they are an inch to 1.5 inches high and slightly to the right ( 1/2 to 1 inch ). Can anyone help me with this? I normally have the broadheads doing well at 20 yards and worse farther out. I am pulling 58 lbs and shooting Maxima hunter 350's at 29" throat to end of shaft with 125 grain field points and the broadheads are g5 strikers 125.

Thanks in advance

tigerhunter

What sized fletchings are you using?
What rest are you using?

I have had the same problem before with a QAD pro hunter rest. I was getting bullet holes through the paper out to 10 yards and if my mind serves me, I was about the same maybe 3 inches high, and 2 inches left. It turned out that I was getting the slightest bit of contact due to vane clearance issues and although everything was tuned well, and I was getting bullet holes, the arrow was actually steering itself back inline to some degree at 20-23 yards and by 30 it was back on...if you are shooting a drop away, mark the fletchings with talc or baby powder and see where you are, if you are getting contact. Even though the arrow may be flying straight, it is not flying exactly "true" and it will correct itself downrange

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tke921

I am using vanetec hp 2.0's and shooting it through a ripcord. I have tipped all the vanes to check the contact and don't seem to have any. I am really interested in this not only for the fix but simply because it defies all i have seen with broadhead flight.... ie commonly getting worse with longer distance.

ike_osu

I agree. Sound like a contact issue

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tke921

I have never used baby powder before. Do i just dump it on and rub it as smooth as i can to leave a "coat" that will not be blown off by the turbulence of the shot. What I have done previously is steal some of the little lady's lip gloss stuff and put a line of it on the tips of all the fletches. I showed no contact there. Do i need to dump the baby powder on the shelf/side of riser?

thanks for the input guys and Ike.. Thanks for the videos on you tube. I have shot bows for years but I am just now getting into doing my own setup and tuning and your videos are a great help.

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Im having similar issues with my setup.
Im getting pin point accuracy at 10m...about 2" groups at 20m and back to pinpoint at 30 and 40M.
I belive its a spine issue and the shaft is unstable at around 20m....Its no biggie as im still getting sub vital groups.

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tigerhunter

You can do it one of two ways. The first is apply it directly to the vane. The other is apply it to the prongs on the rest and look for essentially, areas that have been cleaned, or vice versa if you apply the powder to the vane. Also, red lipstick or something will work fine too. It shows up really well and the wife will think you have a girlfriend at the range, best of both worlds...
Judging from what I had in mind, I could be right in one, if not two of the suspected areas. The high profile vanes are not clearing the prongs on the rest, or the rest is not clearing the vanes. Same end result, but two different problems in itself. For example, by saying the vanes are not clearning the rest, I feel that one of two things is happening. First, the vanes are simply high profile and lets face it, timing is of utmost importance and it happens. Second, if the rest is not clearing the vanes, the timing is off or the brake is not stopping the arm and it is actually coming back up and into contact with the vane. Or, it could also be that the rest is not fully deploying. This is why I have always steered clear of drop aways for hunting. Anytime you have so many moving parts, any little timing issue, unforeseen clearance issue, or your cord pulls away from the cable, even just the slightest bit, not even completely will cause an errant shot and I think that there is just too much risk involved....I know, I know guys, people use them everyday with great success, I am just saying that I am a bit leary of them. Aside from that, drop aways are the absolute best way to go....save containment issues, but thats a whole nother story.

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tigerhunter

What makes you think that this is a spine issue? Are you borderline on your spine? This can in fact be a problem and they will exhibit certain characteristics, but they usually do not recover very well...especially if they are significantly underspined. Provide a little more information about your setup including broadhead weight, fletching size, insert weight, nocks, and arrows...I bet we can get it figured out. If I can't I am sure some of the more experienced guys have got it down to a science.
You may want to visit Bowcountry.com...Introduce yourself and post your question. I will guarantee you that a few of the arrow guru's over there will have you squared away in minutes.

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tke921

Hey guys thanks for the input. I checked the clearance today with the lipstick trick and had no contact. I dropped the rest EVER SO SLIGHTLY and all is right and well in the world, as long as I do my part that is.

tigerhunter

Glad you got it worked out man...Congrats

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