2011 Broadhead use and results -

Mo/Ark · 01-18-2012, 08:26 PM

Well I had what i'll call an interesting year... Some very good and some very bad. To include having a bow stolen, and losing a 150 inch buck, which lived to be shot 3 days later by someone else.

Anyway I did have oppurtunity to put several different broadheads to the test. Some of them did not fair as well as I would have hoped. Here we go:

These are the broadheads I used this year in no particular order: stingers, buzzcuts, Muzzy MX-3 125 (new steel version), phathead SOB, and swhacker. All broadheads were 125 grain except the SOB which was 100, but I added a 25 grain booster to even out.

The first two shots of the year were targets of oppurtunity at two coyotes on opening day in Arkansas. First dead yote was taken with a SOB, and the second was taken with an MX-3. One of the SOB blades was broken at the screw, and one of the MX-3 blades had sheared off. The MX-3 was explainable as it was shot into rocky ground. The new steel ferrule held up awesomely and I was able to put new blades in it and use it again. That NEVER would have happened with the aluminum ferrule versions.

The SOB was more disappointing. I had previously broken one of the SOBs in my 3d target. It was a clean foam hit, on a new target (less than 100 shots). I know where the steel poles are in that target, and I was no where near them. I emailed Steel Force and they sent me a new one no questions asked which was very sweet! I was more than a little surprised when one broke on the Yote as the ground where he was shot was much softer. More to follow on this later.

The next two shots ended up in dead deer. Does, both 90-100 pound 3-4 year old south Arkansas deer. First one was taken with a stinger and it did just as all previous stinger kills had done. Put the deer down within 60 yards with an adequate blood trail. Not gushing but adequate. Second deer was taken with another SOB. Again, another SOB blade broken. There were two ribs broken, but no other major bone hit. Blood trail was great and deer was dead fast, but the SOBs have now broken on me 3 times out of 4 heads. All in the same spot right at the screw. The main part of the phatheads have all came through looking awesome, and I love how well they are built, but I believe there is some weakness in the SOB at the swing point. I will use phat heads again, but dont think I will use the SOB.

This is the point where someone will tell me the broadhead did its job, killed the animal cleanly and so on, but it is a personal preference that my broadheads stay together throughout the shot. Unless I knowingly hit rocks, I expect the broadhead to be reusable. Should I resharpen, of course, not what I'm getting at. The broadhead should at least still have all the parts it started with... again, personal preferance.

Next shot was with a buzzcut and the arrow was deflected. The deer was quartering away, and best I can tell and the arrow after deflection didnt have enough angle to get both lungs. There were bubbles in the blood, so I am pretty sure I got one lung, but know I did not get both. Followed blood for 800 yards until I lost it, then called in a blood tracking dog from the united blood trackers org and he made it about 200 yards past where I did never to find the buck. (side note: if you ever need a blood tracking dog, the UBO is awesome and I highly highly recommend them!) About a week later a buddy told me he saw a big 10 in the back of someone elses truck from the same general area as I was and the guy told him the deer was hurt when he killed it. I am kicking my buddy for not taking a pic to confirm it was the same deer, but from description I am 99% sure it was. Guess if I couldnt find the deer I'n glad he lived long enough for another archer to get the chance. Buzzcut held up wonderful and like I said, allowed me to track for 800 yards, so blood was really pretty good.

Next shot was another lost deer. This time with a swhacker. Shot hit shoulder and only penetrated the length of the broadhead. Fairly certain that deer lived to see another day... a little wiser and sorer. Shot placement was totally my fault, however had i been shooting a COC head instead of a 2.25 inch mechanical would I have got enough penetration to make a killing shot???? Will never know, but the thought was in my head enough i didnt have the heart to shoot the swhackers at another deer. Again, not the broadheads fault, it was totally the indian!

Last shot on a deer was buzzcut again. I was 35 feet up (had to for wind and cover) and shot was 10 yards. Heart shot, dead in 40 yards. Blood was tough at first even with a LOW exit, but after the first 20 yards it opened up and was great. Only reason I was tracking it was cause it was after dark, and couldnt see her anymore from my tree.

All shots taken were under 30 yards with the exception of doe number two. She was at 48.

All broadheads flew right with my field points with minimal tuning. And that was with two different bows (x-force was stolen, and finished the year with the Bow Madness XL). Really impressed with how they all flew to be honest. I dont know if my tuning has improved that much, or broadheads are just made better than they used to be, but they all flew great.

To summarize my novella here: magnus products are great. Kill deer quick, hold together, leave adequate to great blood trails, and have the best warranty in the buisness. Muzzy new MX-3 steel ferrule is pretty dang impressive. Wish i could have got another shot at a deer with that one. I will be using it again next year. I dont think Im cut out to be a big cutting mechanical guy. The swhacker flew great and looked good, but the lack of penetration on a bad shot just scared me. Cause I dont always make pretty shots. Then there is the SOB. Like I said, customer service was awesome, and i think I will try the regular phat head next year, as it is built like a tank, but am not interested in continuing to try the SOB when 3 out of 4 broke when shot either at target or animal.

So that was my season from a broadhead perspective. Comments, questions, etc welcome. Feel free to add your .02 cents.

Matt

UrbanDeerSlayer · 01-19-2012, 06:31 AM

Although I have not used Schwacker Broadheads, in all fairness, and correct me If I am wrong, you took a 48 yard shot and hit shoulder. That's a long shot for any broadhead to perform well, especially if bone is contacted.

Mo/Ark · 01-19-2012, 06:46 AM

Sorry, guess I should have clarifies that better. The swhacker was 18 yards. The 48 yard shot.was the doe I shot with the sob.

UrbanDeerSlayer · 01-19-2012, 07:27 AM

Only mechanical I ever shot with superior penetration is the Grim Reaper. Recently shot through both shoulders on a medium sized doe, at 20 yds, complete passthrough, Grim Reaper 2" Whitetail special.

PLEW SC · 01-19-2012, 08:48 AM

Mo/Ark, great summary.....when i get a little more time i May summarize my broadhead year. I am also interested in that Email address that you contacted Steelforce with, I must not have the correct address.

Mo/Ark · 01-19-2012, 06:37 PM

Just used the one off thier website: info@steelforce.com. Cathy Giannetti answered all my questions and took real good care of me.

PLEW SC · 01-19-2012, 07:01 PM

I had a slow starting but great ending season:

I harvested my first doe of the season in early Oct with a Phathead SOB at 20 yards broadside. She ran maybe 30 yards and fell over. A week later I had the exact same shot with the exact same ending only the doe actually stumbled back the way she was hit and fell closeR than she was whacked at.
In the first days of Nov, I was hunting a doe bedding area but saw no signs of chasing but 7 does so I decided to take another doe with the same SOB that I whacked the second with. She was quartering slightly and ran only 20 yards and piled up 40 yards from me as well.

Mid Nov had me over a different bedding area with another SOB and watched a 140" slob run from my snort/wheeze. Around 11am I was attaching my bow to my rope when I happened to catch a large body sneaking through the thicket I was looking over; I knocked an arrow, pulled , and released in one fluid movement without stopping the deer. Big mistake. Knowing that the SOB passed completely through wihout even making a noise , I was 100% sure I had a liver hit. Upon retrieving my arrow , my assumptions were correct but I thought I could see a tip of antler right where I last saw him. Stepping up on a root of a tree so I could get my bino's on him even though I was gonna let him lay , I found a buck stairing right at me. 2nd mistake. I watched him run and picked up the trail the next 2 days;found him a week later using Google Earth.

With the sanctuary I found the 10pt(liver hit deer) hiding in, I figured it was a MATURE deer haven. Dec 2nd proved that I was right when a 170"gross nontypical stopped behind a tree , (because of a startled doe as I was drawing my Bow), so I had to take the quartering-to neck shot . The PhatheadSOB penetrated all the way to the heart and he fell within 40yards within 10 seconds. Fastest bloodloss I have ever witnessed from a bowkill.

All of my harvests were full pass thrus except the nontyp; which also was the only broken swing-open blade. They all resharpened great after I realized it was easier to take off the SOB's first. They will be back in my quiver next year and will be used for hogs and coyotes in the off season.

Mo/Ark · 01-20-2012, 09:07 PM

Good review! Glad to see you had good results with the SOBs. I really wish they would have left a better taste in my mouth. I am going to try the regular phat heads next year for sure. Looking forward to putting that tank through its paces.

PLEW SC · 01-25-2012, 05:51 PM

Mo/ark, how many days did it take before you got a response from Steelforce? One of my Emails got sent back and I haven't got a response back from the one that did go through. Same as the first time I tried e mailing them. Before you switch to the standard Phathead, not that there is anything wrong with them, try shooting the phathead SOB's open. I shot them out to 40yards and they shot the same open as they did shut. I shot a 10pt in the liver with them opened and the blades were fine . I shot back because I rushed the shot and failed to stop him, not the BH's fault. Plus if you open them up , they kind of resemble a Simmons TreeShark , so I'm wondering if they will have the same effect on a severe quartering shot as some of the wound pics on here that I've seen.

Mo/Ark · 01-25-2012, 09:23 PM

Intersting concept... Wonder if it is the severe stop when the blade stops opening that is causing them to break, vs. you shooting open. I might try it, we'll see what next year brings.

I only sent one email and it was answered next day, maybe second day. She sent me a response and asked for pictures. I was on the road, so it took me about a week to get back to them. I didnt hear anything for about two weeks and I sent another email asking if she got the pics, and she told me the broadhead just went out in the mail. Bout a week later it showed up.

Not sure why your having issues. Hope you can get some resolution

lungbuster123 · 01-26-2012, 02:03 AM

I killed three deer, a fox, and a pig this season with the 125 grain 2.25" Swhacker's. They performed great on everything. I didn't have an animal go over 75 yards or so. Huge holes and great blood to follow...I have two more packs coming.

Started the season with this 7 point...

Then this small doe...

Then a late season doe...

And this pig (same head that I used on the second doe)...

Afternoon Hog Hunt - YouTube

Riverbc · 01-26-2012, 10:28 AM

wow...those swhackers make some huge holes!

mudslinger · 01-26-2012, 03:14 PM

I only used one head this year and can only report on 2 shot with the 100 grain Smoke Ramcat. The only shots I got off this year were at a 6x7 345" bull elk in Colorado in Sept. Estimated live weight by the guide was 1000# on this elk. By far and away one of the largest bodied elk I have ever been around and that is after 5 bow killed elk and guiding elk hunts in NM for 4 years. This thing was a monster bodied critter. The Ramcats performed absolutely flawlessly. Complete pass thrus on this bull at 38 and 44 yards. The second shot at 44 yards bounced UP HILL about 20 yards before it came to rest. No damage on the ferrules or blades. I have been hunting with a bow over 40 years and it will take one heck of a head to make me take these heads out of my quiver. I also realize that these heads are not fro every game animal. I am already planning a Cape Buffalo hunt in 2014 in Africa with a bow and will probably increase my arrow weight to somewhere between 800 and 900 grains and shoot a single bevel 2 blade head. But until then, it is Ramcats all the way.

timmyz7 · 01-26-2012, 05:26 PM

Swhackers 100gr. didn't let them go far but shoulders seem to stop em from fully passing through. Horrible entry wounds, one inch slivers! Shrink tubing stretched from being taken in and out of quiver. Blades rattled.

Vortex Pro Extreme 2.5" 100gr left a 2.5"+ sliver with little blood

Spittfire Max 100gr 1 3/4" left great blood and impressive entry and exit! Retaining clips are junked after blowing through deer and sicking in the dirt.

My Favorite, Grim Reaper Whitetail Special 100gr. 2" cut! The first deer I ever watched drop, that wasn't spined, within 20 yards. I hunt thick swamps and this was truly impressive and delightful. Also, the deer looked like a slug ripped through it. It a heart that those big blades ripped through along with the lungs and back of front leg! The blade are easier to clean and sharpen with no retaining clips to replace like the Spittfires or rubberbands/shrink tubing like the others!

Conclusion, two blades do not bleed them out as good as a three or four blade do. Cutting surface is more important then cut diameter. The Grim Reapers are my new favorite Mechanical with the Grizz Trick being my favorite fixed blade!

mudslinger · 01-26-2012, 06:37 PM

Do not worry about how many blades, what cutting diameter or what style of heads. Put them where they need to go and it will not matter. Confidence and your shot placement are most important.

01-18-2012, 08:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mo/Ark 85gr Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cabot, Ar Posts: 57	2011 Broadhead use and results Well I had what i'll call an interesting year... Some very good and some very bad. To include having a bow stolen, and losing a 150 inch buck, which lived to be shot 3 days later by someone else. Anyway I did have oppurtunity to put several different broadheads to the test. Some of them did not fair as well as I would have hoped. Here we go: These are the broadheads I used this year in no particular order: stingers, buzzcuts, Muzzy MX-3 125 (new steel version), phathead SOB, and swhacker. All broadheads were 125 grain except the SOB which was 100, but I added a 25 grain booster to even out. The first two shots of the year were targets of oppurtunity at two coyotes on opening day in Arkansas. First dead yote was taken with a SOB, and the second was taken with an MX-3. One of the SOB blades was broken at the screw, and one of the MX-3 blades had sheared off. The MX-3 was explainable as it was shot into rocky ground. The new steel ferrule held up awesomely and I was able to put new blades in it and use it again. That NEVER would have happened with the aluminum ferrule versions. The SOB was more disappointing. I had previously broken one of the SOBs in my 3d target. It was a clean foam hit, on a new target (less than 100 shots). I know where the steel poles are in that target, and I was no where near them. I emailed Steel Force and they sent me a new one no questions asked which was very sweet! I was more than a little surprised when one broke on the Yote as the ground where he was shot was much softer. More to follow on this later. The next two shots ended up in dead deer. Does, both 90-100 pound 3-4 year old south Arkansas deer. First one was taken with a stinger and it did just as all previous stinger kills had done. Put the deer down within 60 yards with an adequate blood trail. Not gushing but adequate. Second deer was taken with another SOB. Again, another SOB blade broken. There were two ribs broken, but no other major bone hit. Blood trail was great and deer was dead fast, but the SOBs have now broken on me 3 times out of 4 heads. All in the same spot right at the screw. The main part of the phatheads have all came through looking awesome, and I love how well they are built, but I believe there is some weakness in the SOB at the swing point. I will use phat heads again, but dont think I will use the SOB. This is the point where someone will tell me the broadhead did its job, killed the animal cleanly and so on, but it is a personal preference that my broadheads stay together throughout the shot. Unless I knowingly hit rocks, I expect the broadhead to be reusable. Should I resharpen, of course, not what I'm getting at. The broadhead should at least still have all the parts it started with... again, personal preferance. Next shot was with a buzzcut and the arrow was deflected. The deer was quartering away, and best I can tell and the arrow after deflection didnt have enough angle to get both lungs. There were bubbles in the blood, so I am pretty sure I got one lung, but know I did not get both. Followed blood for 800 yards until I lost it, then called in a blood tracking dog from the united blood trackers org and he made it about 200 yards past where I did never to find the buck. (side note: if you ever need a blood tracking dog, the UBO is awesome and I highly highly recommend them!) About a week later a buddy told me he saw a big 10 in the back of someone elses truck from the same general area as I was and the guy told him the deer was hurt when he killed it. I am kicking my buddy for not taking a pic to confirm it was the same deer, but from description I am 99% sure it was. Guess if I couldnt find the deer I'n glad he lived long enough for another archer to get the chance. Buzzcut held up wonderful and like I said, allowed me to track for 800 yards, so blood was really pretty good. Next shot was another lost deer. This time with a swhacker. Shot hit shoulder and only penetrated the length of the broadhead. Fairly certain that deer lived to see another day... a little wiser and sorer. Shot placement was totally my fault, however had i been shooting a COC head instead of a 2.25 inch mechanical would I have got enough penetration to make a killing shot???? Will never know, but the thought was in my head enough i didnt have the heart to shoot the swhackers at another deer. Again, not the broadheads fault, it was totally the indian! Last shot on a deer was buzzcut again. I was 35 feet up (had to for wind and cover) and shot was 10 yards. Heart shot, dead in 40 yards. Blood was tough at first even with a LOW exit, but after the first 20 yards it opened up and was great. Only reason I was tracking it was cause it was after dark, and couldnt see her anymore from my tree. All shots taken were under 30 yards with the exception of doe number two. She was at 48. All broadheads flew right with my field points with minimal tuning. And that was with two different bows (x-force was stolen, and finished the year with the Bow Madness XL). Really impressed with how they all flew to be honest. I dont know if my tuning has improved that much, or broadheads are just made better than they used to be, but they all flew great. To summarize my novella here: magnus products are great. Kill deer quick, hold together, leave adequate to great blood trails, and have the best warranty in the buisness. Muzzy new MX-3 steel ferrule is pretty dang impressive. Wish i could have got another shot at a deer with that one. I will be using it again next year. I dont think Im cut out to be a big cutting mechanical guy. The swhacker flew great and looked good, but the lack of penetration on a bad shot just scared me. Cause I dont always make pretty shots. Then there is the SOB. Like I said, customer service was awesome, and i think I will try the regular phat head next year, as it is built like a tank, but am not interested in continuing to try the SOB when 3 out of 4 broke when shot either at target or animal. So that was my season from a broadhead perspective. Comments, questions, etc welcome. Feel free to add your .02 cents. Matt __________________ Numerous broadheads in the 125 grain persuaion!Proud Member of PETA, "People Eating Tasty Animals"

01-19-2012, 06:31 AM	#2 (permalink)
UrbanDeerSlayer 100gr Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 165	Although I have not used Schwacker Broadheads, in all fairness, and correct me If I am wrong, you took a 48 yard shot and hit shoulder. That's a long shot for any broadhead to perform well, especially if bone is contacted. __________________ Horton TRT Ultra-Lite 175 Crossbow 330 fps 104 KE 2" Grim Reaper Whitetail Specials "Courage is doing what you're afraid to do"

01-19-2012, 06:46 AM	#3 (permalink)
Mo/Ark 85gr Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cabot, Ar Posts: 57	Sorry, guess I should have clarifies that better. The swhacker was 18 yards. The 48 yard shot.was the doe I shot with the sob. __________________ Numerous broadheads in the 125 grain persuaion!Proud Member of PETA, "People Eating Tasty Animals"

01-19-2012, 07:27 AM	#4 (permalink)
UrbanDeerSlayer 100gr Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 165	Only mechanical I ever shot with superior penetration is the Grim Reaper. Recently shot through both shoulders on a medium sized doe, at 20 yds, complete passthrough, Grim Reaper 2" Whitetail special. __________________ Horton TRT Ultra-Lite 175 Crossbow 330 fps 104 KE 2" Grim Reaper Whitetail Specials "Courage is doing what you're afraid to do" Last edited by UrbanDeerSlayer; 01-19-2012 at 07:27 AM. Reason: added info

01-19-2012, 08:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
PLEW SC 85gr Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Indian Land ,SC Posts: 84	Mo/Ark, great summary.....when i get a little more time i May summarize my broadhead year. I am also interested in that Email address that you contacted Steelforce with, I must not have the correct address. __________________ LETTING THE TROPHIES OF TOMORROW WALK TODAY BOWTECH ADMIRAL FLX/PHATHEADSOB

01-19-2012, 06:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mo/Ark 85gr Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cabot, Ar Posts: 57	Just used the one off thier website: info@steelforce.com. Cathy Giannetti answered all my questions and took real good care of me. __________________ Numerous broadheads in the 125 grain persuaion!Proud Member of PETA, "People Eating Tasty Animals"

01-19-2012, 07:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
PLEW SC 85gr Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Indian Land ,SC Posts: 84	I had a slow starting but great ending season: I harvested my first doe of the season in early Oct with a Phathead SOB at 20 yards broadside. She ran maybe 30 yards and fell over. A week later I had the exact same shot with the exact same ending only the doe actually stumbled back the way she was hit and fell closeR than she was whacked at. In the first days of Nov, I was hunting a doe bedding area but saw no signs of chasing but 7 does so I decided to take another doe with the same SOB that I whacked the second with. She was quartering slightly and ran only 20 yards and piled up 40 yards from me as well. Mid Nov had me over a different bedding area with another SOB and watched a 140" slob run from my snort/wheeze. Around 11am I was attaching my bow to my rope when I happened to catch a large body sneaking through the thicket I was looking over; I knocked an arrow, pulled , and released in one fluid movement without stopping the deer. Big mistake. Knowing that the SOB passed completely through wihout even making a noise , I was 100% sure I had a liver hit. Upon retrieving my arrow , my assumptions were correct but I thought I could see a tip of antler right where I last saw him. Stepping up on a root of a tree so I could get my bino's on him even though I was gonna let him lay , I found a buck stairing right at me. 2nd mistake. I watched him run and picked up the trail the next 2 days;found him a week later using Google Earth. With the sanctuary I found the 10pt(liver hit deer) hiding in, I figured it was a MATURE deer haven. Dec 2nd proved that I was right when a 170"gross nontypical stopped behind a tree , (because of a startled doe as I was drawing my Bow), so I had to take the quartering-to neck shot . The PhatheadSOB penetrated all the way to the heart and he fell within 40yards within 10 seconds. Fastest bloodloss I have ever witnessed from a bowkill. All of my harvests were full pass thrus except the nontyp; which also was the only broken swing-open blade. They all resharpened great after I realized it was easier to take off the SOB's first. They will be back in my quiver next year and will be used for hogs and coyotes in the off season. __________________ LETTING THE TROPHIES OF TOMORROW WALK TODAY BOWTECH ADMIRAL FLX/PHATHEADSOB Last edited by PLEW SC; 01-19-2012 at 07:07 PM.

01-20-2012, 09:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mo/Ark 85gr Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cabot, Ar Posts: 57	Good review! Glad to see you had good results with the SOBs. I really wish they would have left a better taste in my mouth. I am going to try the regular phat heads next year for sure. Looking forward to putting that tank through its paces. __________________ Numerous broadheads in the 125 grain persuaion!Proud Member of PETA, "People Eating Tasty Animals"

01-25-2012, 05:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
PLEW SC 85gr Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Indian Land ,SC Posts: 84	Mo/ark, how many days did it take before you got a response from Steelforce? One of my Emails got sent back and I haven't got a response back from the one that did go through. Same as the first time I tried e mailing them. Before you switch to the standard Phathead, not that there is anything wrong with them, try shooting the phathead SOB's open. I shot them out to 40yards and they shot the same open as they did shut. I shot a 10pt in the liver with them opened and the blades were fine . I shot back because I rushed the shot and failed to stop him, not the BH's fault. Plus if you open them up , they kind of resemble a Simmons TreeShark , so I'm wondering if they will have the same effect on a severe quartering shot as some of the wound pics on here that I've seen. __________________ LETTING THE TROPHIES OF TOMORROW WALK TODAY BOWTECH ADMIRAL FLX/PHATHEADSOB

01-25-2012, 09:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mo/Ark 85gr Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cabot, Ar Posts: 57	Intersting concept... Wonder if it is the severe stop when the blade stops opening that is causing them to break, vs. you shooting open. I might try it, we'll see what next year brings. I only sent one email and it was answered next day, maybe second day. She sent me a response and asked for pictures. I was on the road, so it took me about a week to get back to them. I didnt hear anything for about two weeks and I sent another email asking if she got the pics, and she told me the broadhead just went out in the mail. Bout a week later it showed up. Not sure why your having issues. Hope you can get some resolution __________________ Numerous broadheads in the 125 grain persuaion!Proud Member of PETA, "People Eating Tasty Animals"

01-26-2012, 02:03 AM	#11 (permalink)
lungbuster123 100gr Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 136	I killed three deer, a fox, and a pig this season with the 125 grain 2.25" Swhacker's. They performed great on everything. I didn't have an animal go over 75 yards or so. Huge holes and great blood to follow...I have two more packs coming. Started the season with this 7 point... Then this small doe... Then a late season doe... And this pig (same head that I used on the second doe)... Afternoon Hog Hunt - YouTube

01-26-2012, 10:28 AM	#12 (permalink)
Riverbc Trial Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 19	wow...those swhackers make some huge holes!

01-26-2012, 03:14 PM	#13 (permalink)
mudslinger 125gr Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 308	I only used one head this year and can only report on 2 shot with the 100 grain Smoke Ramcat. The only shots I got off this year were at a 6x7 345" bull elk in Colorado in Sept. Estimated live weight by the guide was 1000# on this elk. By far and away one of the largest bodied elk I have ever been around and that is after 5 bow killed elk and guiding elk hunts in NM for 4 years. This thing was a monster bodied critter. The Ramcats performed absolutely flawlessly. Complete pass thrus on this bull at 38 and 44 yards. The second shot at 44 yards bounced UP HILL about 20 yards before it came to rest. No damage on the ferrules or blades. I have been hunting with a bow over 40 years and it will take one heck of a head to make me take these heads out of my quiver. I also realize that these heads are not fro every game animal. I am already planning a Cape Buffalo hunt in 2014 in Africa with a bow and will probably increase my arrow weight to somewhere between 800 and 900 grains and shoot a single bevel 2 blade head. But until then, it is Ramcats all the way. __________________ 09 HCA Speed Pro 29" 70# Gold Tip XT Hunter 28" @560 grains Smoke Ramcats!

01-26-2012, 05:26 PM	#14 (permalink)
timmyz7 Trial Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 6	My Report! Swhackers 100gr. didn't let them go far but shoulders seem to stop em from fully passing through. Horrible entry wounds, one inch slivers! Shrink tubing stretched from being taken in and out of quiver. Blades rattled. Vortex Pro Extreme 2.5" 100gr left a 2.5"+ sliver with little blood Spittfire Max 100gr 1 3/4" left great blood and impressive entry and exit! Retaining clips are junked after blowing through deer and sicking in the dirt. My Favorite, Grim Reaper Whitetail Special 100gr. 2" cut! The first deer I ever watched drop, that wasn't spined, within 20 yards. I hunt thick swamps and this was truly impressive and delightful. Also, the deer looked like a slug ripped through it. It a heart that those big blades ripped through along with the lungs and back of front leg! The blade are easier to clean and sharpen with no retaining clips to replace like the Spittfires or rubberbands/shrink tubing like the others! Conclusion, two blades do not bleed them out as good as a three or four blade do. Cutting surface is more important then cut diameter. The Grim Reapers are my new favorite Mechanical with the Grizz Trick being my favorite fixed blade!

01-26-2012, 06:37 PM	#15 (permalink)
mudslinger 125gr Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 308	Do not worry about how many blades, what cutting diameter or what style of heads. Put them where they need to go and it will not matter. Confidence and your shot placement are most important. __________________ 09 HCA Speed Pro 29" 70# Gold Tip XT Hunter 28" @560 grains Smoke Ramcats!

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