Bye bye Snuffers? -

varmint101 · 11-29-2010, 11:09 PM

I saw where ya'll were no longer going to make Snuffers or rather were putting them up for sale so someone else could make them. Same for the MA lines. Sad, but from a business standpoint very understandable.

WoodySanford · 11-30-2010, 03:58 AM

I don't know if I'd say "Bye Bye". Magnus has grown big time over the last few years. In that growth things have changed quite a bit. The modern line and traditional line have pretty much competed against each other and with so many traditional bowhunters moving to modern arrow shafts and screw on heads the modern broadhead line is wining.

The traditional line is very hands on manufacturing. So we are at a point of re-designing the process with new machines or put that time and effort into the modern line and come out with new heads in that direction. With the shrinking demand for glue on heads, it doesn't prove to be cost effective to continue to develope that line. A small company can do well in a niche like that but as you get bigger, so does the needs of everything else.

So Mike decided to give someone else a shot at it rather than can the lines like he did with the Journyman a few years ago.

varmint101 · 12-01-2010, 09:10 AM

Yup, sounds like a good idea to me. So, are you going to continue with the screw in snuffers or just run with the SS only?

What new head is coming out next year?

WoodySanford · 12-03-2010, 05:57 AM

The way things look now, it looks like we are going to move into expanding the SS line a bit and possibly some newer three blade heads.

The Original snuffer was developed around the time I was born, I'm totally grey now if that tells you anything. The manufacturing process for the Original used some old technology. That old tech today is more costly now than the new tech used on the SSs and that process gives us a more accurate and higher quality finished product. With the glue on market continuing to shrink, I think you will see even more manufactures moving this direction down the road.

rob-c · 12-04-2010, 03:33 PM

soooooo, any thing new this comming yr? i know you cant tell me much but how about a tidbit....

WoodySanford · 12-04-2010, 10:23 PM

Nothing new for the ATA show this year.

RAZORHEAD · 12-07-2010, 06:29 AM

This only happened on my 3D foam target.

No it shoots right around 310 fps. The folks at Magnus stood behind their lifetime warranty broadheads and sent me replacements without an argument. I was using the snuffer heads and they are a 2 piece head. Magnus glues the blade end to the ferrule you use to screw in to your arrow tip. My problem happened when I shot my 3D Buck foam target. I would reach down and pull the shaft out but the blade end stayed in my target. So I ended up with a 3D foam target that had metal blades buried in to the foam. That then rendered my foam target non useable because I started hitting the metal tips with my other broadheads and damaging them. I called Magnus and discussed my problem and determined that the friction from the broadhead entering the target must be heating the glue and causing it to separate. Life time warranty is only for as long as the company is in business or you get tired of fooling with them.

WoodySanford · 12-08-2010, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RAZORHEAD

This only happened on my 3D foam target.

No it shoots right around 310 fps. The folks at Magnus stood behind their lifetime warranty broadheads and sent me replacements without an argument. I was using the snuffer heads and they are a 2 piece head. Magnus glues the blade end to the ferrule you use to screw in to your arrow tip. My problem happened when I shot my 3D Buck foam target. I would reach down and pull the shaft out but the blade end stayed in my target. So I ended up with a 3D foam target that had metal blades buried in to the foam. That then rendered my foam target non useable because I started hitting the metal tips with my other broadheads and damaging them. I called Magnus and discussed my problem and determined that the friction from the broadhead entering the target must be heating the glue and causing it to separate. Life time warranty is only for as long as the company is in business or you get tired of fooling with them.

I didn't talk to who ever you got that from but the old Snuffers were hot glued on the adapter. The problem with that is the hot glue needs to be re-heated and re-ap[plied to keep the head on the adapter securely. It wasn't much of a problem with trad gear. When the head became more popular with compound hunters a couple years ago, we went to a permenant bond where it wouldn't come off the adapter. Problem with that was then the trad guys were mad that they couldn't heat and turn the head.

Friction in the target does cause heat but I doubt its enough to weaken the old hot glue unless it was in need of being replaced in the first place.

The original snuffer was developed as a trad head and with so much going to modern designs there just isn't a way to make it more compatable. Which is where the SS comes in.

RAZORHEAD · 12-09-2010, 11:27 AM

I had kinda the same situation not with Magnus BHs. The BHs I was using where actually penetrating the plastic form underneath the foam of the target once inside the plastic bye bye BH... Not the BHs fault at all just the fact of cutting threw thick plastic that try's to go back to its original form once cut you cannot remove BHs easily.

I have recently started using the Stinger Buzzcut 100g and all I can say is wow. I am not a pro far from it but these heads truly fly with my field tips and the other expendables if have used.

Is a (100gr) stinger buzz 4 blade the best weight at 68pounds with a 31inch draw using easton axis 400s? They fly like darts but any advantage I can get I will take it.

Thanks for the input!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by WoodySanford

I didn't talk to who ever you got that from but the old Snuffers were hot glued on the adapter. The problem with that is the hot glue needs to be re-heated and re-ap[plied to keep the head on the adapter securely. It wasn't much of a problem with trad gear. When the head became more popular with compound hunters a couple years ago, we went to a permenant bond where it wouldn't come off the adapter. Problem with that was then the trad guys were mad that they couldn't heat and turn the head.

Friction in the target does cause heat but I doubt its enough to weaken the old hot glue unless it was in need of being replaced in the first place.

The original snuffer was developed as a trad head and with so much going to modern designs there just isn't a way to make it more compatable. Which is where the SS comes in.

WoodySanford · 12-10-2010, 05:23 PM

If it aint broke, don't fix it!

Sam Dunham · 01-19-2011, 04:01 PM

A slimmer Snuffer in the original form would be nice!

WoodySanford · 01-20-2011, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Dunham

A slimmer Snuffer in the original form would be nice!

Been done, called the Wensel Woodsman.

11-29-2010, 11:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
varmint101 130gr Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Freetown, IN Posts: 456	Bye bye Snuffers? I saw where ya'll were no longer going to make Snuffers or rather were putting them up for sale so someone else could make them. Same for the MA lines. Sad, but from a business standpoint very understandable.

11-30-2010, 03:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
WoodySanford Broadhead Engineer Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Currently in NC, during season...who knows Posts: 446	I don't know if I'd say "Bye Bye". Magnus has grown big time over the last few years. In that growth things have changed quite a bit. The modern line and traditional line have pretty much competed against each other and with so many traditional bowhunters moving to modern arrow shafts and screw on heads the modern broadhead line is wining. The traditional line is very hands on manufacturing. So we are at a point of re-designing the process with new machines or put that time and effort into the modern line and come out with new heads in that direction. With the shrinking demand for glue on heads, it doesn't prove to be cost effective to continue to develope that line. A small company can do well in a niche like that but as you get bigger, so does the needs of everything else. So Mike decided to give someone else a shot at it rather than can the lines like he did with the Journyman a few years ago. __________________ Best broadhead is a catagory not a single design! I am "Ferral" and I dig it baby!

12-03-2010, 05:57 AM	#4 (permalink)
WoodySanford Broadhead Engineer Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Currently in NC, during season...who knows Posts: 446	The way things look now, it looks like we are going to move into expanding the SS line a bit and possibly some newer three blade heads. The Original snuffer was developed around the time I was born, I'm totally grey now if that tells you anything. The manufacturing process for the Original used some old technology. That old tech today is more costly now than the new tech used on the SSs and that process gives us a more accurate and higher quality finished product. With the glue on market continuing to shrink, I think you will see even more manufactures moving this direction down the road. __________________ Best broadhead is a catagory not a single design! I am "Ferral" and I dig it baby!

12-04-2010, 10:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
WoodySanford Broadhead Engineer Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Currently in NC, during season...who knows Posts: 446	Nothing new for the ATA show this year. __________________ Best broadhead is a catagory not a single design! I am "Ferral" and I dig it baby!

12-07-2010, 06:29 AM	#7 (permalink)
RAZORHEAD 85gr Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 80	Woody is this accurate? This only happened on my 3D foam target. No it shoots right around 310 fps. The folks at Magnus stood behind their lifetime warranty broadheads and sent me replacements without an argument. I was using the snuffer heads and they are a 2 piece head. Magnus glues the blade end to the ferrule you use to screw in to your arrow tip. My problem happened when I shot my 3D Buck foam target. I would reach down and pull the shaft out but the blade end stayed in my target. So I ended up with a 3D foam target that had metal blades buried in to the foam. That then rendered my foam target non useable because I started hitting the metal tips with my other broadheads and damaging them. I called Magnus and discussed my problem and determined that the friction from the broadhead entering the target must be heating the glue and causing it to separate. Life time warranty is only for as long as the company is in business or you get tired of fooling with them.

12-01-2010, 09:10 AM	#3 (permalink)
varmint101 130gr Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Freetown, IN Posts: 456	Yup, sounds like a good idea to me. So, are you going to continue with the screw in snuffers or just run with the SS only? What new head is coming out next year?

12-04-2010, 03:33 PM	#5 (permalink)
rob-c Trial Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 7	soooooo, any thing new this comming yr? i know you cant tell me much but how about a tidbit....

12-10-2010, 05:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
WoodySanford Broadhead Engineer Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Currently in NC, during season...who knows Posts: 446	If it aint broke, don't fix it! __________________ Best broadhead is a catagory not a single design! I am "Ferral" and I dig it baby!

01-19-2011, 04:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
Sam Dunham Trial Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Arkansas Posts: 6	A slimmer Snuffer in the original form would be nice!

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