Mechanical Broadhead Failure - Rage -

Pondertop · 11-09-2010, 08:20 AM

Mechanical - Rage Broadheads: Just returned from a once in a life-time hunt; last day, last minute opportunity at a beautiful 150 class whitetail. Shot was 13 yards, quatering away. Entry was back right rib, exit was visualized for off sholder on the lower opposite side.

Result: Broadhead encountered bone at back rib entry and altered flight direction instantly upon blade deployment; entry changed from lethal path to a right angle 90 degree wounding loss (path changed in two Vectors). Shooting sixty four pounds. Bowhunter 30 plus years; really bummed....

Information provided for the unsuspecting or those considering use of Mechanical Heads. I will never use Mechanical Heads ever again!!!!

mudslinger · 11-09-2010, 08:54 AM

Not sure about this as I posted in the other thread you put this on. I know it did not happen to me, but without the recovery of the animals, no one can say where the arrow hit or what it did, period. Sorry for the loss, but I very seriously doubt it was the broadhead's fault.

cartman308 · 11-10-2010, 06:29 AM

I'm not going to say it was a poor shot or a broadhead failure. What I will say is I've seen enough complaints about the Rage head, all models, to not feel comfortable using them. I also don't like the way they are constructed.

I prescribe to the "where there's smoke there's fire" way of thinking.

yotekilla · 11-10-2010, 02:37 PM

I have heard a lot of good and bad about them. I don't Care for the construction either. I read where one guy shot a doe and was tracking it and the doe stood up and was quartering away and he put it in at the last rib and all he head did was put a 1/4" gash down her side. The first shot only penetrated a couple of inches. Just what I have heard I don't have any firsthand experience with them.

Standing Bear · 11-11-2010, 09:48 AM

Some good and some bad, I remember talking with this guy that just got back from a moose bowhunt at South Nahanni Outfitters and was using the Rage 2 blade broadheads. He actually showed me the one he used to bring down his bull moose, it was in good shape and opened fully. Split one rib going in and got part ot two going out, the bull according to him only made it 50 yards before pilling up.

you know, just for the heck of it, I am going to get a couple of the three blade and two blade heads and shoot them out of my 100# Athens Accomplice and I'll get back to you guys about how they stood up to my 1 " sheet of plywood ( 3/4" + 1/4" ). I think this one is worth trying. You know, I'm looking forward to that myself, just because. The video of these shots will be sent to Ike's Outdoors and can be viewed there

SB

yotekilla · 11-11-2010, 12:23 PM

I heard ther are a few outfitters out west that dont allow rage heads. Don't know how true it is. I have seen a couple videos where the blades flew off on a steel drum.

Buffalo · 11-21-2010, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pondertop

Mechanical - Rage Broadheads: Just returned from a once in a life-time hunt; last day, last minute opportunity at a beautiful 150 class whitetail. Shot was 13 yards, quatering away. Entry was back right rib, exit was visualized for off sholder on the lower opposite side.

Result: Broadhead encountered bone at back rib entry and altered flight direction instantly upon blade deployment; entry changed from lethal path to a right angle 90 degree wounding loss (path changed in two Vectors). Shooting sixty four pounds. Bowhunter 30 plus years; really bummed....Information provided for the unsuspecting or those considering use of Mechanical Heads. I will never use Mechanical Heads ever again!!!!

How in the heck do you know this without recovering the animal? Serious, please explain!

jack125 · 11-22-2010, 06:40 AM

Shot a doe at 21 yds with the two blade rage. Angle was very severe. Broadhead entered in front of right hip and exited through ribs on far side. Cut the two ribs on exit. I shoot a 55lb. compound and wonder how any broadhead could have performed better!

bradk · 11-22-2010, 03:17 PM

shot a NICE BIG 8 A FEW YEARS BACK TEN YDS BROADSIDE....70 POUND HOYT FMJ 300.........WENT IN TEXTBOOK CAME OUT THE GUTS SHAVED HIS BALLS.......GOT THE BUCK BUT NEVER USED THOSE AGAIN....DEFINATLY DEFLECTED OFF RIB SOMEHOW MABY ONE BLADE OPENED FIRST AND CHANGED DIRECTION........

pointerman · 11-24-2010, 07:31 AM

My personal experience with RAGE(2 blade) is that its very acuratte,the arrow seems to carry a field point but has poor penetracion.
I shooted a Arrui(i thinch you call atlas mountain sheep) at 23mts it went exactly were i aimed(in the heart) but stoped against the Umeros head (sorry dont know the Englih term).
Was a "poor stop" the arrow was not very sticked to the bone.

Maybe they were disigned to stronger bow than mine(59lbs)

pointerman · 11-24-2010, 07:44 AM

The umeros head was the one in oposite side

Buffalo · 11-26-2010, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradk

shot a NICE BIG 8 A FEW YEARS BACK TEN YDS BROADSIDE....70 POUND HOYT FMJ 300.........WENT IN TEXTBOOK CAME OUT THE GUTS SHAVED HIS BALLS.......GOT THE BUCK BUT NEVER USED THOSE AGAIN....DEFINATLY DEFLECTED OFF RIB SOMEHOW MABY ONE BLADE OPENED FIRST AND CHANGED DIRECTION........

Seems very strange???

I have shot 5 mature Kansas and Iowa bucks and multiple does with a Mathews Switchback shooting around 260-265fps with a 28" draw with Vapor 4000 arrows and all have been passthroughs without one hint of deflection.

BUT!!

I do understand that ALL broadheads can deflect. Sometimes it's unexplainable.

XtremeAdrenalin · 12-19-2010, 06:38 PM

Couple stories of the rage for ya

First, a negative but not the bhs fault. Muley hunting in ND last fall 2009, i watch my fellow hunter shoot the rage and it deflected off the shoulder of a nice muley and ran down the side of the deer. opening him wide up but not catching any vitals. This deer was 50 yards from me and had him in my binoes watching the shot. The arrow never had a chance to get the job done based on the poor shot of my fellow hunter. it was in an extreme quartering to shot and instead of placing the shot through the neck into the vitals he hit the shoulder and of course its going to deflect. Lost muley, sad story...but was it the broadhead or hunter? I say hunter but who am i....

Second, a huge positive towards the rage. I have seen many deer shot with the rage and the only story of a lost deer was the one stated above. I made the switch to the rage after shooting my friends practice blades accuratley out to 60 yards. Flight is nearly identical to my field points. so i made the switch for the 2010 season and i have personally shot two deer with the rage this year with one on video and then videoed my friend shooting his deer with the rage as well. His shot was def a questionable shot and i would honestly have to say the broadhead was the reason for the kill due to the wound channel and the size of the cut it puts in a deer.

Maybe i am still a little inexsperienced or i just have not seen a better products yet on the market. If i need to be redirected to a different bh please don't be shy to let me know your thoughts i am willing to try other ones but i am very happy with rage thus far and will be sticking with them for deer hunting.

Thanks XTREMEADRENALINE

UTGrad · 12-31-2010, 07:11 PM

I shot two doe last year with Rage and both passed right through and had massive entrance and exit holes with massive blood trails. Both deer were shot with a CE Maxima generating 70 lbs KE.

With all of the negative reviews on the chat rooms I decided to stop while I was ahead with the Rage and switched to Grim Reaper. I am 3 for 5 with the Reapers this season. Am I going to say Rage are better than Grim Reapers? Not at all. The 2 deer I lost with the Grim Reaper were gut shots and couldn't find the deer.

Personal experience I have not had any problems with the Rage on whitetails.

SARASR · 01-02-2011, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XtremeAdrenalin

Couple stories of the rage for ya

First, a negative but not the bhs fault. Muley hunting in ND last fall 2009, i watch my fellow hunter shoot the rage and it deflected off the shoulder of a nice muley and ran down the side of the deer. opening him wide up but not catching any vitals. This deer was 50 yards from me and had him in my binoes watching the shot. The arrow never had a chance to get the job done based on the poor shot of my fellow hunter. it was in an extreme quartering to shot and instead of placing the shot through the neck into the vitals he hit the shoulder and of course its going to deflect. Lost muley, sad story...but was it the broadhead or hunter? I say hunter but who am i....

Second, a huge positive towards the rage. I have seen many deer shot with the rage and the only story of a lost deer was the one stated above. I made the switch to the rage after shooting my friends practice blades accuratley out to 60 yards. Flight is nearly identical to my field points. so i made the switch for the 2010 season and i have personally shot two deer with the rage this year with one on video and then videoed my friend shooting his deer with the rage as well. His shot was def a questionable shot and i would honestly have to say the broadhead was the reason for the kill due to the wound channel and the size of the cut it puts in a deer.

Maybe i am still a little inexsperienced or i just have not seen a better products yet on the market. If i need to be redirected to a different bh please don't be shy to let me know your thoughts i am willing to try other ones but i am very happy with rage thus far and will be sticking with them for deer hunting.

Thanks XTREMEADRENALINE

Great review I love the way they fly but due to so much bad press, have not been taking them into the woods with me.

11-09-2010, 08:20 AM	#1 (permalink)
Pondertop Trial Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4	Mechanical Broadhead Failure - Rage Mechanical - Rage Broadheads: Just returned from a once in a life-time hunt; last day, last minute opportunity at a beautiful 150 class whitetail. Shot was 13 yards, quatering away. Entry was back right rib, exit was visualized for off sholder on the lower opposite side. Result: Broadhead encountered bone at back rib entry and altered flight direction instantly upon blade deployment; entry changed from lethal path to a right angle 90 degree wounding loss (path changed in two Vectors). Shooting sixty four pounds. Bowhunter 30 plus years; really bummed.... Information provided for the unsuspecting or those considering use of Mechanical Heads. I will never use Mechanical Heads ever again!!!!

11-09-2010, 08:54 AM	#2 (permalink)
mudslinger 125gr Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 321	Not sure about this as I posted in the other thread you put this on. I know it did not happen to me, but without the recovery of the animals, no one can say where the arrow hit or what it did, period. Sorry for the loss, but I very seriously doubt it was the broadhead's fault. __________________ 09 HCA Speed Pro 29" 70# Gold Tip XT Hunter 28" @560 grains Smoke Ramcats!

11-10-2010, 06:29 AM	#3 (permalink)
cartman308 Broadhead Mod Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Fraziers Bottom, WV Posts: 1,226	I'm not going to say it was a poor shot or a broadhead failure. What I will say is I've seen enough complaints about the Rage head, all models, to not feel comfortable using them. I also don't like the way they are constructed. I prescribe to the "where there's smoke there's fire" way of thinking. __________________ Broadheadtalk Moderator Athens Factory Staff Shooter

11-10-2010, 02:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
yotekilla 100gr Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Northern IN Posts: 230	I have heard a lot of good and bad about them. I don't Care for the construction either. I read where one guy shot a doe and was tracking it and the doe stood up and was quartering away and he put it in at the last rib and all he head did was put a 1/4" gash down her side. The first shot only penetrated a couple of inches. Just what I have heard I don't have any firsthand experience with them. __________________ PSE EVO 65lb. 29" draw Golt tip pro hunters 100gr slick tricks 380gr arrow 300fps.

11-11-2010, 09:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
Standing Bear Moderator Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Northwest Territories, Canada Posts: 845	Some good and some bad, I remember talking with this guy that just got back from a moose bowhunt at South Nahanni Outfitters and was using the Rage 2 blade broadheads. He actually showed me the one he used to bring down his bull moose, it was in good shape and opened fully. Split one rib going in and got part ot two going out, the bull according to him only made it 50 yards before pilling up. you know, just for the heck of it, I am going to get a couple of the three blade and two blade heads and shoot them out of my 100# Athens Accomplice and I'll get back to you guys about how they stood up to my 1 " sheet of plywood ( 3/4" + 1/4" ). I think this one is worth trying. You know, I'm looking forward to that myself, just because. The video of these shots will be sent to Ike's Outdoors and can be viewed there SB __________________ Authorized Athens Archery Dealer, Athens Factory Staff Shooter Swhacker Pro Staff Last edited by Standing Bear; 11-11-2010 at 09:51 AM. Reason: added video sent to Ike's Outdoors

11-11-2010, 12:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
yotekilla 100gr Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Northern IN Posts: 230	I heard ther are a few outfitters out west that dont allow rage heads. Don't know how true it is. I have seen a couple videos where the blades flew off on a steel drum. __________________ PSE EVO 65lb. 29" draw Golt tip pro hunters 100gr slick tricks 380gr arrow 300fps.

11-22-2010, 06:40 AM	#8 (permalink)
jack125 Trial Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2	Rage success Shot a doe at 21 yds with the two blade rage. Angle was very severe. Broadhead entered in front of right hip and exited through ribs on far side. Cut the two ribs on exit. I shoot a 55lb. compound and wonder how any broadhead could have performed better!

11-22-2010, 03:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
bradk Trial Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2	rage shot a NICE BIG 8 A FEW YEARS BACK TEN YDS BROADSIDE....70 POUND HOYT FMJ 300.........WENT IN TEXTBOOK CAME OUT THE GUTS SHAVED HIS BALLS.......GOT THE BUCK BUT NEVER USED THOSE AGAIN....DEFINATLY DEFLECTED OFF RIB SOMEHOW MABY ONE BLADE OPENED FIRST AND CHANGED DIRECTION........

11-24-2010, 07:31 AM	#10 (permalink)
pointerman Trial Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 16	My personal experience with RAGE(2 blade) is that its very acuratte,the arrow seems to carry a field point but has poor penetracion. I shooted a Arrui(i thinch you call atlas mountain sheep) at 23mts it went exactly were i aimed(in the heart) but stoped against the Umeros head (sorry dont know the Englih term). Was a "poor stop" the arrow was not very sticked to the bone. Maybe they were disigned to stronger bow than mine(59lbs)

11-24-2010, 07:44 AM	#11 (permalink)
pointerman Trial Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 16	The umeros head was the one in oposite side

12-19-2010, 06:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
XtremeAdrenalin Trial Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Southern Wisconsin Posts: 11	Couple stories of the rage for ya First, a negative but not the bhs fault. Muley hunting in ND last fall 2009, i watch my fellow hunter shoot the rage and it deflected off the shoulder of a nice muley and ran down the side of the deer. opening him wide up but not catching any vitals. This deer was 50 yards from me and had him in my binoes watching the shot. The arrow never had a chance to get the job done based on the poor shot of my fellow hunter. it was in an extreme quartering to shot and instead of placing the shot through the neck into the vitals he hit the shoulder and of course its going to deflect. Lost muley, sad story...but was it the broadhead or hunter? I say hunter but who am i.... Second, a huge positive towards the rage. I have seen many deer shot with the rage and the only story of a lost deer was the one stated above. I made the switch to the rage after shooting my friends practice blades accuratley out to 60 yards. Flight is nearly identical to my field points. so i made the switch for the 2010 season and i have personally shot two deer with the rage this year with one on video and then videoed my friend shooting his deer with the rage as well. His shot was def a questionable shot and i would honestly have to say the broadhead was the reason for the kill due to the wound channel and the size of the cut it puts in a deer. Maybe i am still a little inexsperienced or i just have not seen a better products yet on the market. If i need to be redirected to a different bh please don't be shy to let me know your thoughts i am willing to try other ones but i am very happy with rage thus far and will be sticking with them for deer hunting. Thanks XTREMEADRENALINE __________________ Athens Factory Staff YOU FEELIN THE ADRENALINE?

12-31-2010, 07:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
UTGrad 100gr Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 128	I shot two doe last year with Rage and both passed right through and had massive entrance and exit holes with massive blood trails. Both deer were shot with a CE Maxima generating 70 lbs KE. With all of the negative reviews on the chat rooms I decided to stop while I was ahead with the Rage and switched to Grim Reaper. I am 3 for 5 with the Reapers this season. Am I going to say Rage are better than Grim Reapers? Not at all. The 2 deer I lost with the Grim Reaper were gut shots and couldn't find the deer. Personal experience I have not had any problems with the Rage on whitetails.

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