Booner

Seems to me most comapnies are in a race to se who can put the biggest hole in an animal. I, for one, have several opinions on this topic that I will share at the right time....some good...some not so good. I want to know what each of you think. Tell me your opinion and also tell me what direction you think broadhead companies should be heading in. Remember this is a discussion, not an I'm right your not topic.

licking county assassin

i think alot of people forget when buying a 2 inch cut head that the more blade you are pushing the more energy you are loosing and the more risk you run of hitting bone... i like to stay at 1 1/2" or less cutting diameter, to me two holes are better than 1 .

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Booner

Good point! But some will argue this. If i have a three inch hole on one side and a three inch hole in the heart or lung.....aren't I in just as good shape?

INBOWHNTR

I will agree with this. I have killed 4 deer with rage 2 blade and only one was a pass thru but none of them went more then 50 yrds. They had awesome holes and bloodtrails but having said that I switched to strikers this year because it seemed like the rages were a one and done head for me and they are almost impossible to change blades. I want my broadheads sharp and durable.

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licking county assassin

i guess if you have the bow to do it.... but i don't think many do.

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licking county assassin

i feel to many people are shooting these heads with inferior equipment... or should i say bows not ccapable of producing the energy to make the head preform and thats not giving a good head a fair chance.

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giarcher

I with you on this one. I prefer my 3 blade 1.5" over the 2 blade 2" heads for this reason. I have shot them both and always get a pass through with the 3 blade but with the same set up, do not get pass through shots. I always use a 400 - 420 grain total arrow from a 70# bow @ 29" draw, so KE is not an issue. I feel the 2" swath takes up some major energy upon impact.

PTP Pro-Staffer

I shot rocket Steelhead 100's for years, killed lots of deer with them. When they originally came out they were 7/8 inch cut. They are some of if not the best penetrating head in the world. I also shoot the Ultimate Steelhead 100's in 11/8 inch cut for a mechanical. They always open and have not lost a deer to a bad blood trail. I switched to the new f-15 mechanical to give them a try this year but still have my rockets there in case.

thompson

Here is something that doesn't make since to me. You have 3 blades, there is more blade to penetrate than with a 2 blade. For example, if you draw a 1 1/2" circle, find the center and draw the 3 blades out you have 2 1/4", do the same with a 2 blade and you have 2". I would think the 2 blade would penetrate deeper

FP McNew

you see that is my thoughts exactly, i figure the 3 blade would use more energy to open the extra blade and you still have a little more surface area with the 3 blade, so why do they penetrate better? i couldn't tell you, I could honestly care less about a pass through, I have shot 3 deer in Arkansas with the rage 2 blade granted these deer are smaller than those of Kansas and Illinois. anyhow My arrow went completely through all 3 deer, it wasn't sticking in the ground and they carried it a few yards but they were pass throughs. Ridiculous blood trails and short tracking distance. It gets the job done so why worry about a pass through? Plus with the larger cutting diameter it leaves more room for error. Back off the front shoulder and let em have it. in my opinion if you hit the shoulder you can't expect any head to blow through it, although some do but you couldn't tell me that same head would every time you shot the shoulder. It just won't happen. I love the rage and will continue shooting them until I find something better. Although I wish they were a bit more durable. just my 2 cents tho!

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Booner

Now add this to the mix....not only do I see a race to the biggest hole I also see a mix of hybrids coming onto the scene. Combos of fixed and mech's. More KE or less to pass these heads through an animal?

cartman308

I think mechanicals are getting a bad rap for penetration due to one particular head. I think is a design flaw of that head. I don't hear of a lack of penetration on mechnicals in general.

The new hybrids........ more ore less........ hmmmmm. One one hand i say more because you have more stuff to push through and it takes energy to deploy the blades.

On the otherhand the fixed heads have already punched the hole so the mechanical part will just be there to further open the wound. Dont figure they would require any more energy than your typical mechanical.

maxx532

We are all lucky to be a part of such exciting times in the world of archery.

There's tons of R&D being done, as we speak, and I think it's largely due to the fact that the market is growing so fast, and everyone wants a piece of the pie.

Advertising, SELLS. And advertising, "big holes", sells.
We all know that friction, or drag, reduces kinetic energy, so therefore, the more surface contact area, the more loss of energy.
I'm not an engineer or scientist, but this makes sense to me.

Now.. my own experience... I've shot 7 deer with 2 blade rage. Got pass through on all of em. Shooting a 420gr. arrow, 60 to 65lb bow. All shots were 20yds or less. No damage to the head.

I'm not a rage salesman.. Just sharing results.

I think if I were going to shoot heavier animals, or shoot longer distances, I might think about shooting a smaller head. JMHO

kbp8928

i have a bunch of rage 2 baldes and like them. this year i decided to try the g5 tekan (black ones) and love them. they are a little smaller then the rage in cutting diameter but are 300 times stronger. i have killed one whitetail doe, one whitetail buck, one mule deer buck and one turkey with them this year. i did kill another turkey and another doe with a rage. after the turkey the broadhead was fine, after the doe (which i did hit in the shoulder) the head was junk. bent blades and ferrel was bent also. the whitetail buck i shot was quartered away, it went in through the lungs and exited through the shoulder. with the muley it went in around the heart and because him leg was back on the opposite side it exited through his leg. one blade did break but the ferrel was perfect. after all those animals taken with the head, i cant complain that one blade broke. so is bigger better? i guess that come down to personal opionion. if its going to cost me a head after every shot then no its not better.

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Mule426

I think that performance and durability should go hand in hand. After shooting muzzy's tricks and playing with others I like the tricks the best. I am a fixed blade guy for the most part and as it was stated before I would rather have two holes than one.
I know for sure that there a few hybrid blades out there that I am seriously considering. I just dont know how they tune.

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