RPALT1

I used to shoot 125gr 3 blades years ago and now thinking of going 100gr with my new bow. I'm shooting beamen ics 400's at 63lb dw 30" arrows and would like to know the diference [in performance] on the mx3 ormx4 heads?
These werent around when I last hunted. Is there a major advantage to the mx line?

Mark Land

We believe so and that's why we came out with the MX series of heads. Basically by reducing the length of the blade you reduce blade surface areas which technically makes the broadhead less prone to windplanning and makes it easier for most to get excellent broadhead flight with the higher speed setups and smaller fletch that many are shooting now. Of course in the past we just tuned our bows better and use larger, more aggressive helical fletch to stabilize the broadheads, but now we can get excellent flight with current setups and not be as critical with our broadhead flight as it use to be by using these more comact heads. Good luck

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gravediggermtv

i very well could be mistakin but i think the mx3 has a wider cuting diamiter as well.i know im trying them out this year

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Mark Land

The 100gr MX-3 is 1 1/4in cut the new 75 and 125gr MX-3's have a 1 3/16in cut. Just a slight difference.

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RPALT1

I always liked the old muzzys, so from what your saying if i get my bow tuned correctly shooting the old muzzy;s shouldn't be a problem, right?

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Mark Land

That is correct, if your bow is tuned properly and you are using enough helical fletching to stabilize the arrow, you should not have any problem shooting the Muzzy's new or old. If you are shooting a super high speed setup and trying to use a smaller fletch, then you can benefit from using the new shorter, compact style heads.

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RPALT1

Thks i am using a new high speed bow so i'll try the mx 3's

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Mark Land

Sounds good and they should shoot very well for you. Good luck

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tappedandtagged

Mark, wouldn't the original muzzys perform better in penetration since the blade angle is less steep?

Night Wing

I have 2 recurve bows of 42# and 37#. Recurve bows don't generate lots of speed. My 42# @ 30" bow shoots a 32" BOP, 421 grain 2212 arrow, with a 75 grain point weight, at 185 fps. My 37# @ 30" bow shoots the same 2212 arrow, at 174 fps.

Since I shoot low poundage bows, I always hunt with 2 blade broadheads. But, there are no 75 grain 2 blade broadheads. Yes, I know Muzzy has an 85 grain 2 blade and I could shoot it, but I'm going to take a page from the compound shooters and shoot Muzzy's new 75 grain 3 blade broadhead. I think I have enough arrow speed out of both bows to use this broadhead. Since this broadhead is 1" wide, it should be like shooting a field point with blades.

I will wait for my favorite broadside lung shot at 15 yards or less. With my recurves and this broadhead, I plan on bowhunting whitetail deer, javelina and small feral hogs of 100 pounds and under. This should be an interesting experiment.

Mark Land

TNT, the longer blade has a slight penetration advantage but it is very slight and with the energy most modern equipment is producing now, that penetration energy is usually lost in the ground after passing thru the animal. In our testing with our heads in ballistic gelatin the penetration difference between our compact MX-3 heads and their standard counter part we almost insignificant to measure. The biggest advantage to the MX series heads is the reduction in blade length which reduces blade surface area and decreases the potential for wind planning and will give better flight at higher arrow speeds. A side effect we have noticed with the shorter, steeper blades is the increase in hole size on entry and exit thru the hide which is a very good thing!
Night Wing, the 75gr 1in wide head would be great for your purpose and I hunt with recurves and have since '92 and still shoot our 125gr 4bl Muzzy heads and love them. Of course I am shooting 520-560gr arrows off 53-54# bows but I do sharpen the trocar tip and get excellent performance on the game that I hunt. I still play around with the Phantoms as well and the penetration difference on actually game in the field is very minor! I typically achieve pass thrus on deer and hogs with no problem.
Arrow weight is the critical factor with lower poundage setups and you have to maintaint an adequate arrow weight to achieve penetration and the slower the arrow shoots the more important arrow weight becomes. 9-10gpp is fine if you are shooting 50#+ bows but as you get into lower poundage bows you need to increase the GPP to keep the arrow energy up.

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Night Wing

Mark Land,

Doing the math, my 42# bow shooting the 421 grain 2212 arrow has a GPP of (10.02). My 37# bow, shooting the same 421 grain 2212 arrow, has a GPP of (11.37).

Mark Land

Yep that is what I am referring to when shooting lower poundage bows, of course IMHO, but that is based on actual performance in the field on game and not just shooting arrows at targets and testing. My bow is shooting similar or slightly faster speeds with much heavier arrows and I feel that is at the low end of what I would want to shoot. I get good performance but would not want to shoot much less. About 500grs would be about as light as I would want to go with my setups. For you to get similar energy with a lower poundage bow would require a much heavier arrow.
Now before the bashing starts and people say how they have killed deer with light arrows off recurves, let me restate that this is my opinion based on what I have experienced actually shooting animals and witnessing kills of others in the field. I believe arrow weight always trumps arrow speed on actual penetration. Are there variances, sure, but to get more consistent results and ensure adequate penetration on the "not so perfect" hits, I would prefer to shoot more arrow weight if the arrow speed is not as high.
I am sure on a 70-80# doe standing broadside at 15yds hit perfectly behind the shoulder with a very sharp broadhead on a 400-450 gr arrow traveling 170fps would probably do just fine, but that is not how all my shots happen and I like to hunt the midwest with their larger bodied deer and shoot alot of tough hogs as well and I want to do everything I can to ensure I get 2 holes in the animal.

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Night Wing

Our Texas deer aren't big bodied deer like deer in Ohio. Some of our deer in the Hill County region of Texas, are about as big as a Great Dane dog.

I've been bowhunting for 47 years now. I started in 1964 when I was 14 years old. I was lucky enough to meet Fred Bear in person at an archery function in 1964. I don't see how that man, who looked like he weighed no more than 135 pounds, could shoot a 65 pound recurve.

The heaviest recurve I took a deer with was a 44# bow and the lightest recurve I've taken a deer with was with an old 36# target bow.

Last year, I shot a 602 grain, 2117 arrow out of my 42# bow and I shot a 535 grain 2114 arrow out of my 37# bow. I wanted to go lighter in overall arrow weight this year.

I practice shooting at pine cones at 20 yards, but prefer my broadside lung shots between 12-17 yards. I figure the 421 grain 2212 arrow will do fine with a broadside lung shot at 15 yards and under.

Mark Land

Sounds like you have alot of experience and with the deer you are describing your setup may be just fine and I wish you luck and success. Just for me personally I prefer a little more arrow weight to ensure I get as much penetration as possible for my limited draw weight and draw length. I want my arrow sticking out the opposite side or preferably stuck in the ground after passing thru so I prefer to shoot a little more arrow weight and love a heavy tip weighted, small diameter carbon arrow as those have shown to be the best performers for me over the years and many game harvested.
I am sure it can be done with lower arrow weights as well, but I want to edge the odds a little more in my favor so I shoot a little more weight. I do not like extremely heavy arrows and anything over 600grs really affects my arrow drop past 25yds and makes me have to think alot more on height when I have a slightly longer shot. I shoot instinctive and my normal on is about 20yds so for me and my setups anything 10 to almost 25yds I can just shoot right on and may be a little high or low but still in the kill zone with my arrow weights, anything heavier and I have to really bear down when the range get's a little longer. But I would have to say the majority of my shots probably average around 12yds and can count on 1 hand the number of times I have taken a deer or other animal past 24-25yds. But I want to be able to make the shot if I have to and do practice longer shots as well.
It's all about preference I guess and shoot what works for you and what you have the most confidence in, cuz trad archery is all about confidence.

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