art6555

Ok, I have read some of your guys stuff. I do have a question, it may seem like I am overthinking this. But what do you guys think about the 3 blade old school muzzy 100 grn vs the 4 blade old school 100 grn muzzy? I have shot a couple of elk with the 3 blade with an awsome blood trail for 50-60 yards on one the other dropped in sight and I was to excited to check out the blood trail. I shot a muley buck and he dropped in sight. But that was with a 70 lb Bowtech. Due to some injuries I received in Iraq that are catching up to me (2005) I cant shoot that type of "shoulder buster" bow. I went to a Z-7 Mathews and tried 4 blade last year, shot a 4 point whitetail and he died quick also. But again, didnt check out the blood trail. That is the only animal I shot with the 4 blade, what is your experiences with both as far as best blood trails?

Night Wing

I personally don't shoot 3 or 4 blade broadheads because I shoot low poundage recurves. When I used to shoot a 62# compound bow, I shot 3 blade Wasp 100 grain broadheads and they were similar to the Muzzy. Great blood trail with the Wasps.

But, two of my friends who shoot compound bows shoot Muzzy 100 grain broadheads in both 3 and 4 blade configuration and they always had great bloodtrails. The guy who shot the 3 blade Muzzy 100 had his compound bow set at 63# and the the guy who shot the 4 blade Muzzy 100 had his compound bow set at 70#. Both guys had great bloodtrails. If your compound bow is set at 58# or higher, I think you'll do fine with a 4 blade Muzzy 100 on elk.

BTW, since both of my recurve bows are 66", 37# @ 30" and 66", 42# @ 30", I used to shoot heavy aluminum arrows (2114 and 2117), I always favored 2 blade broadheads since my point weights were 125 and 165 grains. This season, I'm shooting a much lighter aluminum arrow (2212), with different brace heights, out of both of my recurve bows and both of them like a 75 grain point weight with this size arrow. So, I'm going to buy a 6-pack of the new 3 blade Muzzy 75 grain broadhead for the sole reason there is no 2 blade 75 grain broadhead and give this broadhead a try since I'm generating speeds of 174 and 185 fps. The Muzzy 75 is only one inch wide so it's like shooting a field point with blades. I'll be limiting myself to 20 yards and under aiming for a broadside lung shot on whitetail deer, javelina and small feral hogs weighing 100# and under.

art6555

Night Wing, I think muzzy has a new MX Phantom that is 75 grain and it is a two blade design. I will look or maybe someone on here knows for sure. But either way I think you have a really cool set up. I went out today and shot the 3 and 4 blades side by side and they both di VERY well. They hit a little higher than my field points (maybe 2-3 inches) but they absolutly shoot the same group size as my field points. I think I can move my nock point or rest to bring the two together but the way they are shooting I am not touching a thing. I will move my sights come hunting season to adjust that little bit. I will check out htose Phantoms 2 blade cut on contact heads though and get back to you.

art6555

I discovered the Muzzy Phantom is 85 grain, 1 1/8" cut with .040" thick blades. Looks awsome and might be just the thing if your into the 2 blades Night Wing. I found it on Muzzys website.

Night Wing

art,

I knew about the 2 blade Muzzy 85 grain broadhead, but my 2212s shot out of both of my recurves at 20 yards prefer a 75 grain broadhead with my higher brace height settings. When I had my brace height set lower on both of my recurves, both recurves liked an 85 grain point and I was shooting a 2 blade Magnus Stinger 85 since the Stinger was 2" long, but only 7/8" wide.

When one shoots light poundage recurve bows like I do, I can see the difference at 20 yards even with 10 grains of point weight. Also, with low poundage recurve or longbows, a wide broadhead impedes penetration. Narrow width broadheads gives maximum penetration. The new screw in 3 blade Muzzy 75 is only one inch (1") wide so it should be an interesting experiment since I'm one who goes against conventional wisdom sometimes to see if I can make things work when conventional wisdom says it shouldn't. I've learned a lot of tricks shooting low poundage recurve bows during the last 47 years of bowhunting.

The 3 blade Muzzy 75 will be attached to the tip of my Easton XX78 Eclipse X7 2212 aluminum target arrows. Most trad (recurve, longbow) bowhunters won't bowhunt with any aluminum arrow with a .012 or thinner wall thickness, but I'm different. I'm hoping the new 3 blade Muzzy 75 broadhead will work as long as I stay within the parameters I've already listed in my previous comment.

The only drawback is FOC since I can never have a high FOC percentage because I shoot 32" BOP (back of point) aluminum arrows combined with low poundage bows with my 30" draw length and I shoot with a hunting tab; one over, two under. BTW, below is my compete setup for both of my recurve bows.

Blacktail TD Recurve: 66", 42# @ 30". Bowstring: 12 Strand Dyna97. Brace Height: 7 3/4". Arrow: 32", 2212. Point Weight: 75 Grains. Arrow Weight: 421 Grains. Speed: 185 fps. FOC (Front Of Center): 9%. GPP (Grains Per Pound): 10.02


Blacktail TD Recurve: 66", 37# @ 30". Bowstring: 12 Strand Dyna97. Brace Height: 7 3/4". Arrow: 32", 2212. Point Weight: 75 Grains. Arrow Weight: 421 Grains. Speed: 174 fps. FOC (Front Of Center): 9%. GPP (Grains Per Pound): 11.37

Mark Land

Personally for me I have always preferred a 4bl head and believe they cut a larger, cleaner hole in an animal but do so with a smaller overall diameter. I shoot the 125gr 4bl Muzzy and 125gr 4bl Phantom on my recurves and they shoot very well, have not had any issues with either and sharpen up the trocar tip on a diamond stone so I get cut on contact performance as well. Much nicer just changing out blades rather then having to resharpen.
However, 3bl heads have always been our best sellers and the new MX series heads really do cut a very big hole in animals and I would not hesitate to shoot any of our 3bl heads for any game.

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art6555

Thanks Mark, you know I never thought about sharpening up the trocar tips, that is a great idea. I am very fond of the four, I have made the switch due to the way they shoot. Even though them 3's shot very well. My 15 year old son is goin on his 1st bowhunt this year. He had been crying how he wants Rage......to bad, I am Dad and the guy buying the gear. He is shooting the 4 blades also.

Mark Land

Sounds like a great plan and ya'll should do very well with those heads. Good luck and make sure to post your successes on our Muzzy Moments page. Thanks

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archerjay

Hey brother, I'm a Marine, geting ready to get out, and an OIF vet also and want to say thank you for your service! I have used the 100gr 3 blade, 125gr 3 blade and 90gr 4 blade, and can say they have all given me excellent blood trails. The more blades you have to push through, the more resistance you will get and the less penetration, all else being equal. If you're going to reduce your energy some with lower draw weight, I would go with the 3 blade. You would get plenty adequate cut and blood trail and would optimize your penetrating ability, as well as have a slightly larger cuting diameter of 1 3/16 for the 3 blade compared to 1" for the 4 blade. Just my two cents worth, and in today's economy that isn't much. LOL Hope I could help you some.

Mark Land

True to some extent but with the smaller diameter of the 4bl heads, the difference is very small and frankly in all my shooting and testing I have not seen much of a difference in penetration with either head styles and with most of the equipment we are using now, it is mostly a matter of whether the arrow is 8in in the ground or 9in after passing thru the animal. It does not take that much of a bow anymore to shoot an arrow completely thru a deer and I would expect complete penetration on your average shot, even with lower energy setups. Only difference maybe with angle shots or very large deer but still expect a pass thru.

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art6555

Right on Archerjay.....get out while the getting is good! Dedicate your life to bowhunting. This Mark guy really knows his stuff, and I agree, I have never had to pull a Muzzy out of an animal. But I have had to pull a lot of them out of the dirt.