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varmint101 · 01-21-2010, 06:30 PM

You could upload them to photobucket if that's what you meant by finding a place. I find that's an easy way to post pictures.

Have you seen BW's new PCH? Looks pretty sweet!

Mark Land · 01-21-2010, 06:37 PM

I don't have photobucket, messes me up with wanting to download pics to Tradgang, but I meant I have a bunch of pics on my computer, I can add some in as we go, but I think they have a place on hear to download pics and will look into that.
Yep, love that PCH, always like shorter recurves, my SAIII is a 56in and my SAII is 58in. With my 27in draw I don't have any problem shooting either one and would love to have a 54in PCH, but that will have to wait awhile!

T-Panic · 01-22-2010, 01:46 AM

Good to see you on here Mark!! I do have a question. I bought the MX3's in 09 and practiced with them in the yard. I was happy with the groups. Then I get to deer camp a nd a friend of mine shoots regular old Muzzy 3 blades. Ithought I'd show him How these heads grouped and I don't know why but they shot all over. He shot his setup, great groups. I felt like crap. So we got to comparing arrows and we shoot the same length and spine. I shot his and he shot mine, this time my groups were better than his. So we determined it was the MX3's. I took them off and oput my old Muzzy's 3 blade 100 gr. back on and I was grouping every bit as he was. I'm confused, any suggestions. I shoot at 65# 29 draw and 29" arrows I use Gold Tip XT hunters 75/95 spine. Thanks

Mark Land · 01-22-2010, 07:48 AM

If your setup was shooting great at one time and then changed later on I would suspect a change in the bow tune or setup, possibly some string or cable stretch affecting the tune of the bow or maybe something slightly different in the arrows?? Did you shoot the same heads you were practicing with or change them out on different areas when you shot at camp. Something would have to be different between the 2 setups to cause a flight change in the arrow. I would check the arrows you were using to make sure the heads were spinning true on the shaft and also examine the fletching as well to see if there was a difference in them as well, also check all your arrows and make sure there is not a particular 1 or 2 in the lot that just fly different. I have had arrows in a dz lot that just would not group with the rest of the arrows no matter what I did with it, nothing obviously wrong with that particular arrow, but it just flew different.
Something changed in the setup to cause a flight problem and it could be with that particular arrow, the head, the bow, just really hard to pinpoint it without being there. Good luck!

WABOWMAN · 01-22-2010, 08:06 AM

Mark,
First off i am glad to see you here!Second,I love my Muzzys!I am trying to get some opinions about what head to get for my wife.She is shooting about 40# with a DL of 24" and a 300gr arrow.I want to get a head that will be a good all around head for deer and turkeys.Any suggestions?

Also,What do you feel about blade and fetching alignment?

Thanks for all your input on the site!

Mark Land · 01-22-2010, 08:10 AM

IMHO that arrow is a little light for the weight and speed she will be shooting, but might be OK for broadside, close shots on deer and turkey. But I would suggest using a cut on contact style head to maximize as much penetration as possible. Check out our Phantom line of broadheads including our Phantom MX and our new Phantom 85gr MX 2bl head, both of those heads will do a great job and get the most penetration possible. Good luck!

Red Feather Archery · 01-22-2010, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WABOWMAN

Mark,
First off i am glad to see you here!Second,I love my Muzzys!I am trying to get some opinions about what head to get for my wife.She is shooting about 40# with a DL of 24" and a 300gr arrow.I want to get a head that will be a good all around head for deer and turkeys.Any suggestions?

Also,What do you feel about blade and fetching alignment?

Thanks for all your input on the site!

I would second Mark's advice on the Phantoms. My wife bowhunted for the first time this year with a setup very similar to your wifes. She was shooting a 40# BowTech Razor's Edge at 26". Her arrows weigh a little more than 300 grains though, I believe 386. She shot the Phantom as a two-blade head and got a complete pass through on a blacktail doe, breaking a rib on the way in and the way out. Good blood trail for 40 yards and a happy first time hunter

WABOWMAN · 01-22-2010, 08:47 PM

Thanks Stan and Mark!I was just guessing on what weight the arrows were.I weighed them when i got to the shop today and they were 356 with 75gr. heads.I think i will step her up to 100gr. to get her a little more KE.

Mark Land · 01-25-2010, 08:49 AM

Sounds good and a little more arrow weight is always good when your not shooting alot of arrow speed.
As far as blade and fletching alignment, it has been tested and proven to not affect the consistency or accuracy of the broadheads, the most important factor is to use helical fletching to spin and stabilize the arrow/head in flight and this will give you the best flight and consistency. Good luck!

T-Panic · 01-26-2010, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Land

If your setup was shooting great at one time and then changed later on I would suspect a change in the bow tune or setup, possibly some string or cable stretch affecting the tune of the bow or maybe something slightly different in the arrows?? Did you shoot the same heads you were practicing with or change them out on different areas when you shot at camp. Something would have to be different between the 2 setups to cause a flight change in the arrow. I would check the arrows you were using to make sure the heads were spinning true on the shaft and also examine the fletching as well to see if there was a difference in them as well, also check all your arrows and make sure there is not a particular 1 or 2 in the lot that just fly different. I have had arrows in a dz lot that just would not group with the rest of the arrows no matter what I did with it, nothing obviously wrong with that particular arrow, but it just flew different.
Something changed in the setup to cause a flight problem and it could be with that particular arrow, the head, the bow, just really hard to pinpoint it without being there. Good luck!

Mark thank you!! I was talking with my friend that I changed arrows with and we determined that the major thing I did wrong was I set the bow up shooting the practice blades. Up til then I hadn't shot a MX3 with the hunting blades on. I thought the practice blades were to get you sighted in so you wouldn't be dulling up the hunting blades? I guess I learned a lesson.

Mark Land · 01-26-2010, 07:47 AM

That could be it, something had to changed to make the difference in flight and I suspect it could be the blades. Some customers have expressed flight differences in the 2 different blades so I always recommend to everyone to go ahead and sacrifice a set of hunting blades to shoot and tune with just to be sure. Although normally the practice blades will shoot the same on our heads, it can only take something minor in the setup or tune to make a difference between the 2 and it is always best to be shooting and practicing with the exact same setup you will be hunting with so you have the upmost confidence in your particular setup when you drop the string on that animal you are wanting. Glad you figured it out and good luck and good shooting in the future.

WABOWMAN · 01-26-2010, 09:02 AM

Mark,I have allways wonderd why Muzzy practice blades are a different shape and size than the hunting blades? I think they have the same surface area but the shape being diferent would effect the flight in tuneing.

Mark Land · 01-26-2010, 09:08 AM

The shape and angle is to ease withdrawal from the target and not grab as much and tear up the target and make it easier to pull the arrows out. Yes the surface area should be the same and that is what mostly affects the flight of the head, the amount of blade surface area, more so then the actual shape of the blade, but they should be close. I think the practice blades are closer in size with most of our broadheads with exception to the MX-3 profile, but as I said earlier, I still feel it best to suggest using actual blades for your hunting practice, tuning and sight in and use the practice blades for extended shooting sessions and they also work great on small game as well. I have seen nothing knock out big Grouse and other sized birds as well as the practice blade head.
Of course if you have a target you can get to the broadhead on the back side after shooting, you can remove it before pulling the arrow out and that will cut way down on any target damage and make it very easy to pull out the arrows.

WABOWMAN · 01-26-2010, 09:19 AM

Thanks Mark! There has been other questions about the practice blades in other threds.

Mark Land · 01-26-2010, 09:35 AM

Yes I imagine and I get e-mails and calls on them here as well, that is why I just suggest using some hunting blades to be sure and not have to wonder or 2nd guess. Good luck and hope you have a great season!

01-21-2010, 06:37 PM	#17 (permalink)
Mark Land Muzzy Representative Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 178	I don't have photobucket, messes me up with wanting to download pics to Tradgang, but I meant I have a bunch of pics on my computer, I can add some in as we go, but I think they have a place on hear to download pics and will look into that. Yep, love that PCH, always like shorter recurves, my SAIII is a 56in and my SAII is 58in. With my 27in draw I don't have any problem shooting either one and would love to have a 54in PCH, but that will have to wait awhile! __________________ Muzzy Products Technical Support Specialist Prostaff Director Bowfishing Promotions

01-22-2010, 07:48 AM	#19 (permalink)
Mark Land Muzzy Representative Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 178	If your setup was shooting great at one time and then changed later on I would suspect a change in the bow tune or setup, possibly some string or cable stretch affecting the tune of the bow or maybe something slightly different in the arrows?? Did you shoot the same heads you were practicing with or change them out on different areas when you shot at camp. Something would have to be different between the 2 setups to cause a flight change in the arrow. I would check the arrows you were using to make sure the heads were spinning true on the shaft and also examine the fletching as well to see if there was a difference in them as well, also check all your arrows and make sure there is not a particular 1 or 2 in the lot that just fly different. I have had arrows in a dz lot that just would not group with the rest of the arrows no matter what I did with it, nothing obviously wrong with that particular arrow, but it just flew different. Something changed in the setup to cause a flight problem and it could be with that particular arrow, the head, the bow, just really hard to pinpoint it without being there. Good luck! __________________ Muzzy Products Technical Support Specialist Prostaff Director Bowfishing Promotions

01-22-2010, 08:06 AM	#20 (permalink)
WABOWMAN 130gr Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: port townsend,WA Posts: 504	Mark, First off i am glad to see you here!Second,I love my Muzzys!I am trying to get some opinions about what head to get for my wife.She is shooting about 40# with a DL of 24" and a 300gr arrow.I want to get a head that will be a good all around head for deer and turkeys.Any suggestions? Also,What do you feel about blade and fetching alignment? Thanks for all your input on the site! __________________ Athens Field staff TRU-ball staff Vapor trail pro staff Broadheadshed staff Owner MAY'S CUSTOM ARCHERY ATHENS APROVED DEALER

01-22-2010, 08:10 AM	#21 (permalink)
Mark Land Muzzy Representative Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 178	IMHO that arrow is a little light for the weight and speed she will be shooting, but might be OK for broadside, close shots on deer and turkey. But I would suggest using a cut on contact style head to maximize as much penetration as possible. Check out our Phantom line of broadheads including our Phantom MX and our new Phantom 85gr MX 2bl head, both of those heads will do a great job and get the most penetration possible. Good luck! __________________ Muzzy Products Technical Support Specialist Prostaff Director Bowfishing Promotions

01-22-2010, 08:47 PM	#23 (permalink)
WABOWMAN 130gr Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: port townsend,WA Posts: 504	Thanks Stan and Mark!I was just guessing on what weight the arrows were.I weighed them when i got to the shop today and they were 356 with 75gr. heads.I think i will step her up to 100gr. to get her a little more KE. __________________ Athens Field staff TRU-ball staff Vapor trail pro staff Broadheadshed staff Owner MAY'S CUSTOM ARCHERY ATHENS APROVED DEALER

01-21-2010, 06:30 PM	#16 (permalink)
varmint101 130gr Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Freetown, IN Posts: 456	You could upload them to photobucket if that's what you meant by finding a place. I find that's an easy way to post pictures. Have you seen BW's new PCH? Looks pretty sweet!

01-22-2010, 01:46 AM	#18 (permalink)
T-Panic 85gr Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Central Utah Posts: 35	Good to see you on here Mark!! I do have a question. I bought the MX3's in 09 and practiced with them in the yard. I was happy with the groups. Then I get to deer camp a nd a friend of mine shoots regular old Muzzy 3 blades. Ithought I'd show him How these heads grouped and I don't know why but they shot all over. He shot his setup, great groups. I felt like crap. So we got to comparing arrows and we shoot the same length and spine. I shot his and he shot mine, this time my groups were better than his. So we determined it was the MX3's. I took them off and oput my old Muzzy's 3 blade 100 gr. back on and I was grouping every bit as he was. I'm confused, any suggestions. I shoot at 65# 29 draw and 29" arrows I use Gold Tip XT hunters 75/95 spine. Thanks

01-25-2010, 08:49 AM	#24 (permalink)
Mark Land Muzzy Representative Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 178	Sounds good and a little more arrow weight is always good when your not shooting alot of arrow speed. As far as blade and fletching alignment, it has been tested and proven to not affect the consistency or accuracy of the broadheads, the most important factor is to use helical fletching to spin and stabilize the arrow/head in flight and this will give you the best flight and consistency. Good luck! __________________ Muzzy Products Technical Support Specialist Prostaff Director Bowfishing Promotions

01-26-2010, 07:47 AM	#26 (permalink)
Mark Land Muzzy Representative Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 178	That could be it, something had to changed to make the difference in flight and I suspect it could be the blades. Some customers have expressed flight differences in the 2 different blades so I always recommend to everyone to go ahead and sacrifice a set of hunting blades to shoot and tune with just to be sure. Although normally the practice blades will shoot the same on our heads, it can only take something minor in the setup or tune to make a difference between the 2 and it is always best to be shooting and practicing with the exact same setup you will be hunting with so you have the upmost confidence in your particular setup when you drop the string on that animal you are wanting. Glad you figured it out and good luck and good shooting in the future. __________________ Muzzy Products Technical Support Specialist Prostaff Director Bowfishing Promotions

01-26-2010, 09:02 AM	#27 (permalink)
WABOWMAN 130gr Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: port townsend,WA Posts: 504	Mark,I have allways wonderd why Muzzy practice blades are a different shape and size than the hunting blades? I think they have the same surface area but the shape being diferent would effect the flight in tuneing. __________________ Athens Field staff TRU-ball staff Vapor trail pro staff Broadheadshed staff Owner MAY'S CUSTOM ARCHERY ATHENS APROVED DEALER

01-26-2010, 09:08 AM	#28 (permalink)
Mark Land Muzzy Representative Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 178	The shape and angle is to ease withdrawal from the target and not grab as much and tear up the target and make it easier to pull the arrows out. Yes the surface area should be the same and that is what mostly affects the flight of the head, the amount of blade surface area, more so then the actual shape of the blade, but they should be close. I think the practice blades are closer in size with most of our broadheads with exception to the MX-3 profile, but as I said earlier, I still feel it best to suggest using actual blades for your hunting practice, tuning and sight in and use the practice blades for extended shooting sessions and they also work great on small game as well. I have seen nothing knock out big Grouse and other sized birds as well as the practice blade head. Of course if you have a target you can get to the broadhead on the back side after shooting, you can remove it before pulling the arrow out and that will cut way down on any target damage and make it very easy to pull out the arrows. __________________ Muzzy Products Technical Support Specialist Prostaff Director Bowfishing Promotions

01-26-2010, 09:19 AM	#29 (permalink)
WABOWMAN 130gr Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: port townsend,WA Posts: 504	Thanks Mark! There has been other questions about the practice blades in other threds. __________________ Athens Field staff TRU-ball staff Vapor trail pro staff Broadheadshed staff Owner MAY'S CUSTOM ARCHERY ATHENS APROVED DEALER

01-26-2010, 09:35 AM	#30 (permalink)
Mark Land Muzzy Representative Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 178	Yes I imagine and I get e-mails and calls on them here as well, that is why I just suggest using some hunting blades to be sure and not have to wonder or 2nd guess. Good luck and hope you have a great season! __________________ Muzzy Products Technical Support Specialist Prostaff Director Bowfishing Promotions

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