Big Boar

Hi Mark,
I am with the ABCC (American Broadhead Collectors Club) and for several years Muzzy was a member of our club thanks to Michele. But the one thing we never straightened out was all of the different Muzzy Headhunter and Madador heads you guys produced. Do you have heads set aside as a museum type display that shows the different heads you produced since your first production? Do you know what was physically different between the Madador and the Madador II?

Mark Land

Yessir we actually did organize a little museum here at Muzzy and have several of the old heads. I believe the difference was in the length of the tip and 140 vs 150grs. if I remember correctly. I would really need to ask Johnny about it if he remembers. Thanks

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bowhunterfrompast

Hi Mark,

I'm a new member of the ABCC, glad to hear Muzzy has set up a museum of their heads.

So far I have collected a 1990 Muzzy Mini 90 Carbon, 1995 Muzzy Wood Adapter 150, and 1999 Muzzy Wood Adapter 125.

Mark Land

Yep those are original ones, the only other heads we had were the glue-ons for the small PC type carbon arrows and they came in several different sizes and all were 100gr and either 3 or 4bl heads to fit the Beman 15/64, 16/64, AFC/Carbon Tech 2100, 2200, 2300, 2400 and 2540 and the Easton PC 5.7, 5.9. 6.1 and 6.3 shafts.

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Big Boar

I was doing a little research and we had an article in our newsletter in the mid 80's. It explained the differences between the Madador and Madador II. Here is a picture of the original Madador. For this post I will only show pictures of the original Madador system. Please note the straight/tapered/straight ferrule and the carbon blades with a straight/sloped back edge. The ferrules were manually slotted and less than 1000 were produced.
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There was also a Muzzy arrow which is shown below

Also part of the Muzzy system was a field point and a Judo point

The first attempt at a Turkey head (Thumper) was a failure. The folded over bleeder did not provide enough penetration. All of the turkey blades were made from stainless steel

So a second attempt was made at a turkey head. This one had a bleeder that had a notch in it.

During testing it was found that the tip thread was weak. So there were several changes made and the Madador II was born. I will post what I know about it in the next post and maybe Mark can comment on the above. This information was gotten just after the intrduction of the Madador II, so it should be fairly accurate.

WABOWMAN

I still have some of these heads and the beaman arrows

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cartman308

that's some neat info there Big Boar! I never knew muzzy made so many heads!!!

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bowhunterfrompast

Digging thru the box of old broadheads, and came across these. What can you tell me about them. Thanks!

Big Boar

You got ahead of me. These were going to be my next post. These are what I believe are the Madador II heads. I say this because of the article in our newsletter years ago and from ads. I can not tell from the pictures, but are they all 4 blades? The bottom two kind of look like the other set of blades might be different from the set of blades we can see. The Madador II had the flared/straight ferrule and also larger threads on the tip. The blades now had a sloped back edge and were all stainless steel.

In addition to the standard 4 blade, 2 blade, field point, they also had a new Turkey Thumper and practice blades.

Here is the Madador II with practice blades



Here is the Madador II for aluminum arrows. According to ads this came in three sizes 2016, 2114/2117, and 2216.



Here is the Madador II Turkey Thumper with the new Sloped Bleeders



Hope this clears up the Madador and Madador II models. From here on it is going to get more interesting and I hope Mark will be able to shed light on the next models I will show.

Big Boar

Some heads were not refered to as Madador during this period in Muzzy ads.

The one for aluminum arrows was called the "Headhunter"

Ones for turkeys were called "Turkey Thumpers"

And the one for wood arrows were called "Muzzy Wood Adapter Broadheads". These were available in 11/32 and 23/64.

Also during this timeframe they sold packs of 5 of all of the components so the heads could be mixed and matched. They sold Judo Tips, Target tips, all of the adapters (SI, wood and Headhunter), tips, and different blades and fillers.

bowhunterfrompast

Excuuuse Me

Big Boar...great post

If I'm not mistaken, it looks as if the weight of the Muzzy could be changed by switching the points (?).

Are the blades interchangeable from head to head?

Big Boar

Bowhunterfrompast

Didn't mean to jump on your post!

So far for the heads we have talked about the answer is yes the blades are interchangeable. However the tips between the Madador and Madador II are NOT. Smaller thread size on the Madador.

What kind of bleeders are on the last two heads you pictured?

There are some differences in weight that I have measured, but I believe the intent was all of these were supposed to be around 130 grains. In reality there were slight variations.

bowhunterfrompast

Big Boar....we're cool

All four blades, are the same, on the last two broadheads.

The first Muzzy, has the Turkey Thumpers.

Big Boar

Which Turkey Thumper Blades of the ones I pictured are on the first head in your picture?

Do you see any differences between the last two heads? If so please list length, width, weight, or anything else different.

We still have a lot of work to do on the Muzzy's because I think we have not listed all of the different heads that were made.

I know I have some that Mark will need to look at and see if he can figure out their heritage from what they have in their museum.

bowhunterfrompast

Stats on the last 3 Muzzys, Top to Bottom

#1 1.260" Ferr L, 2.065" Total L, 28gr Tip, 44gr Blades, 52gr Ferr, 124gr Total
with the new Sloped Bleeders

#2 1.260" Ferr L, 2.267" Total L, 44gr Tip, 46gr Blades, 52gr Ferr, 142gr Total

#3 1.234" Ferr L, 2.160" Total L, 48gr Tip, 44gr Blades, 58gr Ferr, 150gr Total