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I was reading several post on Archery talk claiming that the 2 blade blood runner makes a buzzing sound in flight. Has anybody had any experience with noise with this head. I plan on shooting these head for whitetail and a goat hunt later in year.
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I saw a couple of those threads, and think the notion of "broad head noise" is absurd.
A deer may jump your string, but they aren't going to jump a broad head. There is too much other noise in the woods, and not enough time to react to a properly placed shot from a modern bow. I have shot 2 and 3 blades at various game and have never had one hear the noise from the broad head. Ive never had one jump the string, and Ive missed and had deer and turkey still stand there after the shot for a follow up. I try to practice under real hunting conditions (ie: outside) and have never even realized any noise from these heads, aside from the normal "whizzing" sound that an arrow usually makes. I'm talking hundreds of shots if not more. Either I'm not very observant, or I'm paying attention to more important things like form, shot placement, follow through etc. |
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This has been my finding as well. ![]() I am hoping to shoot a 2 blade through a whitetail this fall I will let you know if the deer herd the "hissing" lol.
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Come to think of it, neither have I ... nor have I ever had it happen to me in over 20 years of hunting ... ![]() Quote:
I haven't had the opportunity to "interview" them myself ... but apparently there have been an awful lot of "stone deaf" animals running around in the wild the past 12 months ... that ended up "stone dead" at the hands of both the 3-blade and 2-blade Bloodrunners ...
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Sorry if my response came across as a "wiseguy" response, but, quite honestly, I agree that comments of "noisy broadheads", noisy vanes, etc. is a bit on the excessive side when considering a "real world" hunting scenario.
Here's my "personal" feelings on the matter of broadhead noise ... First ... Yes ... both the 2 and 3-blade BR's make noise in flight—with the 3-blade being the slightly "noisier" of the two in my experience. It's not what I would describe as a "buzzing" noise, though ... more of a hissing sound if I had to try and pinpoint/label it.* I'm personally not sure why broadhead noise gets so much attention to be honest?* I see people mention it from time to time ... yet, in 20 years of bowhunting, I've yet to experience firsthand—nor see/hear within videos, articles, etc.—anything that leads me to believe a deer or animal "dodged an arrow" due to hearing the arrow/broadhead in flight ...? Consider this ... with ALL the other sounds within a wilderness/natural setting at any given moment, is it really likely that an animal is going to be able to pick out the slight sound an arrow/broadhead is making in flight? Above birds chirping, wind whistling through limbs, grass, etc.? Over the sound of leaves rattling in the wind, squirrels barking, other animals, themselves chomping/chewing on food, etc., etc., etc.?* Is a buzzing and/or hissing sound even "foreign" to a wild animal if they did/could happen to hear it? Do they not hear other "critters" that make all sorts of various "sounds" in the wild pretty much 24/7? Including bugs that buzz/hiss as they fly?* I'm sorry, short of a broadhead actually "whistling", beeping, honking and/or sounding like a foghorn going off—I don't buy that an animal can locate, distinguish, recognize as "danger" ... and then react/evade the path of an arrow in flight. I've never personally seen it, nor seen any visual proof or convincing account of such an experience in over 20 years of bowhunting to be quite honest.* Now, what I have experienced personally—and seen several times—are deer that jump the string "at the shot"! Even at that, I'm pretty sure we've all seen deer that have "flinched/reacted" at the shot—yet due to the the "close-in" range and/or the speed of the arrow—the animal still took a fatal hit (as well as bad hits, unfortunately) before it could get fully out of the way of the arrow.* My personal opinion—to reiterate SkijinGears point—is that if you reasonably consider all the other variables in a natural/"outdoor" setting—a deer or any other animal is going to have an extremely hard time even distinguishing such a sound—much less suddenly reacting to it in time to "dodge" an arrow.* Consider this—a bow shooting 275fps (which is apparently slow these days, ha) is going to send an arrow 92 YARDS in a matter of one full second!* The more "typical"/average 25-30 yard shot (for whitetails at least)—out of that same 275fps bow—is going to deliver the arrow on-target in 1/3 of a second or LESS ... ! That's likely why we don't see video of deer suddenly reacting to and/or ducking an arrow when it's within 10 yards from impact. What we have all witnessed are deer jumping the string/reacting "at the shot"—and even then—they don't always react quickly enough to get clear of the path of the arrow.* I find it hard to believe even the quickest of animals could locate such a slight sound, among all the other sounds within it's natural setting, and then still react to it—in literally fractions of a second. At the end of the day, there have been a lot of animals—of all sizes, at a variety of distances, terrain settings, etc.—successfully taken with both the 2 and 3-blade Bloodrunner's. Many have been shot on video. I don't know of a single report from the field of an animal suddenly reacting to the "arrow" in flight.* I have one Field Staff member, that between himself, his father-in-law and a third "hunting buddy"—took 19 animals in 2009 with the 3-blade Bloodrunner. Those 19 shots ranged from 10-50+ yards, on a variety of animals ... and not one of them jumped the string ... much less suddenly bailed out "after the shot" due to any sounds of the arrow/head in flight ...* Anyway, I'll be doing some broadhead tuning—hopefully tomorrow—so I'll try to get some video of the BR's in flight—compared to a few other models—see if that will give you a bit of an idea of what to expect.
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Awesome post! 19 animals between the 3 of them I am jealous. ![]() And that hiss every one refers to I honestly think it is more the arrow cutting through the air, and if anything is caused by the fletching and not the head. But I don't mind the hiss because to me it sounds just like a bird flying over head. If you have ever had a bird zip by your head you more then likely have herd the sound I am referring to. This in my hunting career has been the loudest noise I have ever had come from an arrow in flight. But I also shoot a 480 grain arrow that 270fps so things are much quieter..... I am in no way picking on the op just stating what I have found with noisy heads/arrows.
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first of all I wasn't trying to bash the head.
I take with a grain of salt what alot of guys on Archery talk say on alot of products. It seems if they haven't shot it or just feel like bashing for fun. I usually pick a new broad head or two each year to try. If it fly's true and handles what ever kinda test within reason I through at it before the season starts I will hunt with it. That"s half the fun of shooting is trying new products isn't it seeing what works the best with your own set up.I can say I have shot a friends practice version of this broad head. It flew very well for me I noticed know more noise than I would have with any other broad head tipped arrow I have ever shot. I can't wait to get the hunting version of the 2 blade myself for hunting. I have killed a bunch of critters over the years with lots of versions of broad heads.I have never had one try to duck a broad head because it was noisy. I made the post because I figured I would ask the most qualified person to answer this question. I think it is a quality broad head with no more noise than any other broad head with in reason.It kinda burns me when some people give bad reviews on a product they haven't shot or second hand info on.I guess I kinda look at things different than most.If it didn't work for my set up keep it to myself unless personally asked. Just because it didn't work for me personally doesn't mean that it wouldn't be the new best thing for someone else's set up. a little food for thought on broad head noise- try pushing anything from the size of a broad head to semi threw the air at the speed the average arrows of today is traveling. I bet ya get some noise because the air you are displacing around the object will cause some sort of noise know matter how small it is. |
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Ding ding ding, I think that is exactly what it is. That is just a part of using it, heck even bullets have that noise we just can't hear it because they go super sonic. (I really hope you didn't think I was picking on ya, just in general stating what I have found with the noise)
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WA, I didn't consider your original post as "bashing" by any means.
You asked the question ... which I obviously get asked quite a bit, lol ... so I felt like being honest about the "topic" overall ... not due to your specific instance ... nor thinking you were bashing the head. I'm actually glad you presented the question/topic here to be honest. Like I said, the BR's are noisier than some of the other heads out there. I would imagine it has mostly to do with the design of the ferrule ... but that's just an assumption on my part. Anyway, for fun ... and maybe a more "clear" example ... I just edited a video from last weekend when I was broadhead tuning. I slowed the clips down as slow as I could adjust them ... so as to allow us to follow the entire sequence from the release ... to the impact with the target. What this does is "over-emphasize"/exaggerate the audio qualities ... Three different "tips" ... you be the judge as to if one is excessively louder than the other ... much less anywhere nearly as loud as the sound of the bow "at the shot" ... Sighting In on Vimeo |
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Tomorrow, if I can steal enough time, I'll try to shoot a similar video with the camera at the other end of the fun, lol!
... I'll set the camera up near the target ... and hopefully NOT end up shooting it ... the camera I mean!
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Thanks for the video, I really didn't hear much of a difference to be honest, I herd more bow then anything else and it wasn't even loud.
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Slowed down, you can definitely hear both the EDGE and Bloodrunner ... which isn't uncommon with fixed blade heads in general ... but if you close your eyes and listen ... even the field tip makes "some" noise in flight (the vanes maybe ?) ... and to my ears at least (eyes closed) ... the difference between the second shot and third shot isn't what I'd call excessive. Now that sound of the bow is quite prominent ... as is the sound of the heads impacting the target ... which is my favorite sound of them all, lol! |
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